A bit of a falsehood for my first posting on this thread :) --(however i promise that my next posting will be of a trip to view alpines at sea level --then into the mountains proper).
I thought members might be interested in seeing what most of New Zealand would have looked like, before land clearance and timber harvesting reduced the size of the native podocarp forests.
These forests can still be found in some parts of the North Island------ and here at the bottom of NZ in my home province of Southland. The largest podocarp forests are on the West Coast of the South Island.
Podocarp forests are a mixture of tall podocarps and smaller trees with an understorey of shrubs, plants and ferns and soil and climate conditions play a major role in determining which species are the most dominant .
In Southland, Totara ,(up to 30 mtrs in height),grows closest to the coast, on almost pure sand. As the soil nutrient levels increase, Mataï and Rimu appear. With Kahikatea ,(up to 60mtrs in height),on the wetter sites.
Although they belong to the conifer family which reproduces using cones, podocarps spread their seeds through berries which are transported by being passed through birds. Because of the abundant range of fruits, podocarp forests also support larger communities of insects and birds such as bellbird and tui .
Our residence is situated in one of these forest ,(bush), remnants which backs onto a larger public native reserve and although we are only a couple of ks from the coast our bush has most of the large forest trees mentioned above.
The first pic is of our house surrounded by bush on all sides to give you an idea of scale.
The following pics are of the various genera of dominant trees ,various ferns –Asplenium and Blechnum sps ---–the long strap like leaves of the bush flax ,Astelia ---the stringy bark of a tree Fuchsia and finally the impressive Dicksonia,(tree ferns),all within a few metres of our back door.
Cheers Dave.


Comments
Margaret Young
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Wed, 03/27/2013 - 6:09amQuite so, David - hard to find any grower who cannot quite easily discern between most of the hebe "variations" and a veronica or between a primula and a dodecatheon - a lot of us are sticking with the names we recognise, I think.
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Wed, 03/27/2013 - 11:58pmDavid, does that make Veronica a paraphyletic taxon?
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Thu, 03/28/2013 - 3:34amIf you think Hebe, Parahebe, Chionohebe, Leonohebe, Heliohebe, and Hebejeebie are worthy of generic status yes but Phil Garnock Jones does not think Northern hemsphere taxonomists would be willing to carve Veronica up into multiple genera.
On thinking a bit more about your question the answer is possibly more accurately no as Veronica has a common line of descent; Hebe and the other Southern hemisphere genera are nested within it.
Sorry to be so equivocal about your question.
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Thu, 03/28/2013 - 1:55pmThanks David, I am satisfied. Things don't always have a clear-cut answer!
Toole (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 03/29/2013 - 12:51amWent for a little walk today ---Cool conditions with a very strong wind so i kept well away from the edge of the drop offs.
My visit was primarily seed hunting ,and as i wanted to cover as much ground as possible i packed light ,so for the first time in many many years i left the camera in the vehicle ......
I should have known better :rolleyes: :rolleyes: as there were still some nice gems in flower-----
namely, fields of a very dwarf form of Gentianella bellidifolia ,(syn G. bellidifolia var australis ), and surprisingly a small number of Ranunculus buchananii where the flowers were displaying a spidery effect having just about gone over.I even found one plant that had buds yet to open !.
So i hope you don't mind if i cheat a little bit and show a couple of pics from back in 2011 showing the Gentianella habit in cushion field and the Ranunculus at the spidery stage . :-* :-*
I'm away tomorrow again but this time I'll be taking the camera :D
Cheers Dave
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 03/29/2013 - 9:49amWhat superb photos! Gorgeous plants and scenery.
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 03/29/2013 - 11:35pmNo, not at all!
Toole (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 03/30/2013 - 11:50pmThanks Lori and Trond.
Here's a small selection from yesterday.
Gentianella serotina in bloom.
Bold foliage of Aciphylla aurea contrasting with the silver foliage of Celmisia semicordata ssp stricta.
Focus on the growth habit of the crevice loving Celmisia philocremna.
South Island edelweiss ,Leucogenes grandiceps.
Cheers Dave.
Cliff Booker
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sun, 03/31/2013 - 1:47amOh Dave,
That C. philocremna is breathtaking ... we see it on the show benches here in the UK, but to see it growing in habitat ... Wow!!!!
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Mon, 04/01/2013 - 3:20amI don't agree, Cliff! They are all breathtaking ;) But I would prefere to grow them in a rockery :o
Toole (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Wed, 04/03/2013 - 1:13amThanks Cliff ,Hoy
It took a bit of an effort to get up there --both sections of the track have deteriorated quite badly in the 12 months since i last visited ...I won't be going back .. until it has been upgraded.
Cheers Dave.
cohan (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Tue, 04/09/2013 - 11:20pmGlad you made a safe return from the poor track, Dave!
Toole (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Wed, 04/10/2013 - 1:19amThanks
My body survived Cohan, unfortunately my wallet took a pounding --$285 bike repair bill ! :'( :'( :'(
Not so cherry Dave.
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 04/19/2013 - 7:36pmThis morning I went on a field trip to Tunnel Beach just south of Dunedin City. The good thing about living here is when you do not have enough time or inclination to drive to the mountains you can always go to the coast. The area has some spectacular sandstone sea cliffs. The day was fairly brisk but it did not rain and we were home by lunchtime. I will post some scenic shots first
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 04/19/2013 - 8:34pmHere are a few more plant pictures. A feature of the area is the coastal turf vegetation. If you look carefully in the last photograph of the first set you can see the fragments of kelp just above where the people are crouching. We did not find anything unusual or rare.
1. Glasswort (Sarcocornia quinqueflora subsp. quinqueflora).
2. Senecio carnosulus. This plant is classified as naturally uncommon notwithstanding my earlier comments.
3. A cascade of mosses and liverworts growing on a seepage down the cliff face.
4. Detail of bryophytes.
5. A fringe of Hebe elliptica growing on the cliff edge.
6. Black-backed gulls.
Toole (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Fri, 04/19/2013 - 11:14pmInteresting pics David
I was down on the coast today a bit further south of you trying to locate Luzuriaga parviflora ,(Lantern Berry) ,in the coastal forest --my 2nd visit without any luck ...... :' I'm now thinking that although it's been 'recorded' as being in the area ,it's very localized.
Cheers Dave.
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 2:07amDave,
Luzuriaga is down in the Catlins near Papatowai and it is up on the Longwoods as well. Since you did not find it I will pop in a photo I took in the Longwoods about a year ago for you.
Richard T. Rodich
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 7:02amInteresting photos, David.
What is it that is to the lower right of the Senecio?
Cliff Booker
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 9:37amI noticed that Rick ... looks like a species of Salicornia?
Lori S. (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 2:17pmPerhaps it's another of the glassworts (Sarcocornia quinqueflora subsp. quinqueflora) that was shown in the previous set of photos?
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 04/20/2013 - 3:32pmLori and Cliff are correct.It is Sarcocornia quinqueflora subsp quinqueflora formerly known as Salicornia australis. Here are a couple of pictures of the plant; covering the salt flats at the entrance of the Otago Harbour at Aramoana, and a close up of the plants with flowers
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sun, 04/21/2013 - 12:10amDavid, very interesting! I am familiar with (some parts of) the Norwegian coast (it is roughly 25000km long if you add all the islands!) but your coast is quite different from anything here. Some plants are similar of course but some are very unfamiliar!
cohan (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sun, 04/21/2013 - 11:13amInteresting views! Ocean coastlines are much more exotic (at least much farther away!) here than mountains ;D
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Mon, 06/03/2013 - 3:59amJust back from the Nelson AGS study weekend ar Lake Rotoiti, Nelson Lakes. Drove back from Westport to Dunedin today: it was a bit of a long drive and was slightly damp driving up the Otira Gorge through to Arthurs Pass. Took a short cut gravel road from Lake Lyndon to Lake Coleridge. I must have dodged a dump of snow as there was fresh snow on Mt Hutt and the eastern foothills of the Southern Alps. Here are some pictures I took on the drive up through the Lewis Pass on Friday.
1&2 Tarn at Lewis Pass
3 Bog pine (Halocarpus bidwilli) at Lewis Pass
4,5,6 Lichens on mountain beech trees ( mainly Usnea)
7 Lichens, fungi and mosses
8 Stone with crustose lichens
9 Mountain beech trees
10 Astelia nervosa
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Tue, 06/04/2013 - 3:38amThe next set of picture was taken on my way home from Nelson Lakes. The Buller River flows out of Lake Rotoiti and flows out to sea ar Westport. The highway more or less follows it down and that is the way I went.
1 Upper Buller Gorge. The road folllows the true right bank at this point.
2. Side creek entering the Buller River note how stained the water is.
Stayed overnight at Westport and headed down the coast to Punakaiki next morning. The lady at the compground said it was going to be a fine day. The first walk I did was a 20 min track to the beach. It was raining so I left the camera behind and when I came back it had stopped raining so went to the next walk which was up the Porariri River. I took the camera and got some good pictures.
3&4 Porariri River flowing out of the Paparoa Range to the coast.
5. Arch under the roots of a big rata tree on the Porariri river track
6. Cardiomanes reniforme - a fern. Note the Tmespteris on the lower left
7. Forest vegetation on the river bank There are tree ferns, nikau palms and Freycinetia banksii in abundance. The Freycinetia is the gassy tufted thing centre - do not ever try walking through a clump of it!
8&9 Nikau Palms and Nikau palm fruit
When I got back to the car it had started raining again so I did not bother walking out to see the blowholes at Punakaiki and drove south to Greymouth.
10 Coastal view south of Punakaiki
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Tue, 06/04/2013 - 4:41amBefore I tackled the transalpine crossing of Arthurs Pass I thought I better have some lunch at Greymouth. I headed out to Lake Brunner and this is the last photo I took until I was well over the other side.
1. Lake Brunner
The road heads into the murk at the far right of the picture. It was raining at the bottom of the climb up to the pass so much so that the water was beginning to overtop the bridge at Kelleys Creek. It was raining all the way up the Otira Gorge: some of the road has a roof built over it to divert the water and this was cascading over the lip and down the hillside.
2 For the record; the road up to the pass taken last January
It was raining at Arthurs Pass village, it was raining at the Waimakariri bridge, it was raining at Craigieburn, it was raining at Castle Hill basin so I took the back road from Lake Lyndon to Lake Coleridge. I had not travelled that way before; it is a gravel road and is a bit rough.
3 Acheron River between Lake Lyndon and Lake Coleridge
The road comes out on a high terrace overlooking the Rakaia River and you can see the Mt Hutt Range.
4. Mt Hutt Range with a coat of fresh snow. There was a bit of slushy snow along the side of the road so I had been fortunate not encountering snow when I crossed Arthurs Pass.
5. Rakaia River looking down river to the east coast of the South Island.
I arrived home in Dunedin about 8.30 so it had been an interesting day. It was a north to south, west to east trip with a huge contrast in the scenery and weather.
Trond Hoy
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Sat, 06/08/2013 - 11:23amDavid, very exciting! I love it all from the lichen to the grand landscape!
David L (not verified)
Re: New Zealand Alpine Flora
Tue, 06/11/2013 - 3:19amTrond, It was an interesting trip;I was not lingering because of the weather. I got about an hour between the showers at the Porariri River where I took the photos of the nikau palms. They do not grow this far south. I find them quite fascinating and exotic despite the fact my main interest is alpines.
Toole (not verified)
Nice pics David of your trip
Sat, 06/15/2013 - 8:49pmNice pics David of your trip up country ,especially of the Nikau's.
I've tried the Chatham Island form once without success however a plant apparently raised from seed collected on Banks Peninsula near Christchurch has survived a couple of winters here in it's pot just on the edge of the bush.It needs planting out if I'm going to see it reach height and flowering .....
Cheers Dave.
David L (not verified)
Have just sorted out my
Mon, 07/15/2013 - 3:02amHave just sorted out my password so I can log on to the site now it has been rebuilt so will do a brief post as a test. The photos were taken at Careys Ceek just north of Dunedin about a week ago.
Further up on a very steep-sided spur I photographed some fungi growing in mixed Kunzea/Leptospermum forest.
Earlier I had found a huge old totara (Podocarpus cunninghamii) growing in an inaccessible spot at the base of some bluffs. Most of this area has been milled over and burnt in the past so it was good to see that a least one of the original large trees had survived. Sorry no photos- it is difficult photographing large trees in thick bush.
Toole (not verified)
Please to see you are getting
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 1:39amPlease to see you are getting out and about David.
There are still some fungi showing in the bush here as well.
I posted a few pics back on the 12 June under the General Forum --it was about the time of the Forum upgrade so not sure if you have seen them.
It's forecast to reach 16C down this way on Sat so i might go for a bit of a wander down the coast.
Cheers Dave.
Toole (not verified)
Spent last weekend up country
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 1:54amSpent last weekend up country on the first S.P.A.T. field trip of this season.
On the way we stopped off at an anglers access to view the declining Pimelea sericeovillosa ssp pulvinaris and common mat daisy Raoulia australis which is quite distinctive with its yellow flowers .
Myosotis uniflora was also in bloom .While a number of cushions had faded yellow flowers where most had gone over to white, on a cooler spot we found a plant that had not yet done so.
Pete decided to park up on a Raoulia field where upon exiting the vehicle we were ' informed' by a 'local resident' that this was his patch and to move on ....Here he is, a male Banded Dotterel, trying i think , to mimic a pair of broken wings in an attempt to lead us away from his nest which had a clutch of 3 eggs.
Richard T. Rodich
Curious that those three eggs
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 5:45pmCurious that those three eggs are separated and not together. I would have thought it would be more difficult for the mother to keep them all warm.
Definitely aids in the camouflage, though.
Toole (not verified)
RickR wrote:
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 11:02pm[quote=RickR]
Curious that those three eggs are separated and not together. I would have thought it would be more difficult for the mother to keep them all warm.
Definitely aids in the camouflage, though.
[/quote]
I thought that as well Rick .I understand Incubation is performed by both adults for about 4 weeks and chicks fledge after another 5-6 weeks.....
Continuing on with the weekend ,next morning the cloud was low as we made our way up the Hooker Valley.
View into the Terminal lake of the 13k long Mueller Glacier.
Doug's daughter Samantha is 8 and already has a healthy interest in getting out and photographing in the mountains .At this rate I suspect it won't be too long before she will be ahead of us in terms of plant knowledge and photography........
.
Further up the valley the weather started to improve allowing glimpses of Mt Cook ,followed by a nice flowering specimen of Aciphylla aurea .
A trio of pics of Ranunculus lyallii --the clumps with the brown showing underneath the leaves being most attractive.
John ,another member of our group up high on eastern slopes with the massif of Mt Cook as a backdrop.
Toole (not verified)
There wasn't much 'happening
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 11:58pmThere wasn't much 'happening ' plant wise on the eastern slopes so Pete and i decided to travel down and search over the other side of the lake just below the snow patch indicated by the red X.
This western side was more productive and a number of plants were seen including Gingidia montana and good sized mats of Ourisia caespitosa as we made our way up to the snow patch.
As well as a Euphrasia sps which I have keyed out as petriei because of its broad ,rounded ,lobed leaves. Eventually our way was blocked by snow affected by rock material ,(I'm sure there is a geological term for it ....
- Lori ?.).
So we headed back down again coming across this R.lyallii affected with virus.
.Cheers Dave.
Toole (not verified)
Our long day ended with a
Tue, 11/12/2013 - 11:25pmOur long day ended with a short visit to the Tasman River delta to view Raoulia haastii ,followed by Pimelea prostrata.
Trond Hoy
Thanks Dave! I never think I
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 1:06pmThanks Dave! I never think I'll ever get tired of looking at pictures of plants and landscape from NZ!
Toole (not verified)
Trond you might like this one
Mon, 12/02/2013 - 10:56pmTrond you might like this one as well ...Admittedly I haven't had to travel far to take a picture .
Bulbinella rossii looking nice and fresh in a cool spot in the back garden .
Fermi de Sousa
Dave,
Tue, 12/03/2013 - 2:23amDave,
if you need to have a cool place for it we'd need to make room in the fridge!
Superb plant!
cheers
fermi
Toole (not verified)
Fermi wrote:
Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:25pm[quote=Fermi]
Dave,
if you need to have a cool place for it we'd need to make room in the fridge!
Superb plant!
cheers
fermi
[/quote]
Thanks Fermi
You might like the following ....
Phone rings Sunday night..,,,,It’s Mr Newall asking if I wanted to accompany him up a ‘hill’ this week to see if any buttercups were out and as Tuesday’s weather looked okay that’s when he planned to go.
Of course I said yes .
Here’s a number of pics from our 10 hour hike around and up over Smooth Peak, Northern Southland.
Imposing plants of Aciphylla ‘lomond’ on the valley floor.
A couple hours of uphill slog and our first decent stop.Steve in amongst a field of Viola and Carex.
Viola sps and Carex petriei close up.
Most Celmisia semicordata ssp stricta were in heavy bud yet to flower however we found a plant or two lower down near the stream in flower.
A creeping Kelleria sps and close up, growing amongst the snow tussocks.
Steve spied Anemone tenuicaulis ,a first for me.
Geum uniflorum in bloom with the hairy foliage of an Ourisia sps beside it.
Toole (not verified)
We climbed higher into fields
Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:53pmWe climbed higher into fields of Celmisia and then onto the scree edges of Smooth peak,(which is appropriately named),and our first sighting of Aciphylla spedenii.
On the screes Steve tended to blend in as he was photographing some yellow weeds .....
........Ranunculus pilifera.
I came across this Myosotis so we sat down again
and had a discussion on it's identity banding about a number of species names
.A closer look at my pics and I note the anthers project well beyond the petals so I'm wondering whether it's a form of M.lyallii.
View down to our vehicle , more or less zigzagging straight down for about 1.45 hours of agony on the joints........
.Raoulia buchananii in the foreground.
A great day ,a few laughs between gasping for our breath and although it is early enough it appears to be a good flowering season.
Cheers Dave.
Trond Hoy
Thanks, Dave! (Back from
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 8:59amx
Trond Hoy
Toole wrote:
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:25am[quote=Toole]
Trond you might like this one as well ...Admittedly I haven't had to travel far to take a picture .
Bulbinella rossii looking nice and fresh in a cool spot in the back garden .
[/quote]
Thanks, Dave! (Back from Argentina and just coming to myself).
I have tried this from seed twice but never got germination
Any advice?
Toole (not verified)
I'm not much help sorry Trond
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 2:02pmI'm not much help sorry Trond.
My plant has never set viable seed .
Steve Newall will have a better idea however he is out in the field for a few days harvesting wild Heiracium sps seed ,to return to the EU......
Toole (not verified)
Last couple of days in the
Wed, 01/29/2014 - 12:45amLast couple of days in the mountains on another S.P.A.T. trip with Steve and Doug and also an overseas visitor Clint Callens. Shame I had pull out early this morning half way through the trip with blisters .That will teach me to wear over sized steel capped work boots......
Unloading the vehicles and sorting out the essentials for travel by foot up the valley as the track from this point on was washed out in numerous places and Eyre Creek was running too high for our vehicles to ford.
90 mins. later and Shepherds Creek hut is in sight and Steve could finally have a brew up using the kettle he had been carrying .
Sorry for the date showing in all the pictures .To save weight I decided to only take the point and shoot and it's been such a long long time since I last used it.......
Toole (not verified)
A 6 am start the following
Wed, 01/29/2014 - 1:09amA 6 am start the following day and it wasn't long before the younger Clint had to stop and wait for us more 'mature' folk
.
It's a great year for Gaultheria depressa.
As we climbed higher the clouds started to burn off and on came the sun tan lotion.......
Clint and a view of the Western ridges.
Our objective was to continue up to the end of the ridge line and explore around the base of the rocky bluffs.
Just before the bluffs we came across rather large mounded plants of Raoulia buchananii.
Toole (not verified)
Raoulia buchananii with a
Wed, 01/29/2014 - 11:15pmRaoulia buchananii with a view.
Upon reaching the bluffs ,green cushions were sighted growing in the vertical ledges. Home to Celmisia philocremna there are about 200 plants established here .

View back showing the ridge we had just climbed.The hut is near the small patch of bush on the valley floor .
Finally reaching the top of the ridge a number of plants were found on the slopes leading into the next catchment.
Aciphylla 'Lomond'
Good sized patches of the yellow flowering shrub Brachyglottis revoluta .
A low growing Celmisia sps.
A view south east of the lower Mt Bee ridge line ,an area I've visited many times and posted about.
Just about back at the hut standing above bracken fern ,the tall stems of Aciphylla glaucescens .
Steve Newall (not verified)
An awesome day Davey boy!!!!!
Fri, 01/31/2014 - 11:21amAn awesome day Davey boy!!!!! It was also hot and dry and Doug was keen for a drink when we returned to the valley floor
Fermi de Sousa
Great to see these pics from
Sat, 02/01/2014 - 4:27pmGreat to see these pics from the wild.
Steve,
you might need to run a "caption competition" on your pics!
cheers
fermi
David L (not verified)
Hi Dave,
Tue, 02/04/2014 - 2:45amHi Dave,
Just been looking at my pictures to try and see where you went relative to us. I see you enjoyed more clement weather unlike the horizontal frozen precipitation blasting through Shepherds Saddle that we experienced. (Cliff, if you are reading this and thought the day in Little Omarama Saddle was windy it only a walk in the park) There were lots of Raoulia buchananii on Shepherds Saddle but we did not find any Celmisia philocremna probably because we did not get high enough.
Not a day when sunscreen was required (or applied)
Looking back down the ridge we ascended; Shepherds Creek is on the right. The hut is obscured by the end of the ridge and is on the left upstream from the junction of Shepherds Creek and Eyre Creek.
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