Trillium 2012

First of the Trillium ovatum Roy Elliott in flower today.  2 inches tall, might make 4 inches when seed sets.

Madgardener wrote:

First of the Trillium ovatum Roy Elliott in flower today.  2 inches tall, might make 4 inches when seed sets.

Very nice Mike, about same size as T. nivale.  Is the 'Roy Elliott' cultivar a selected dwarf of regular Trillium ovatum? 

oh, I think I found the answer myself when googling, your photo in this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trillium_ovatum_roy_elliott_21.jpg

:-\ Trillium nivale does not want to grow in my garden....it probably doesn't like the gardener.  :rolleyes:

The first Trillium in flower here now:

Wim, pretty flower color on that one, by the title of the image are you suggesting it is T. sessile or a trillium of the "sessile type", I'm assuming the latter.  In the first photograph, I can see some damage to the leaves, is that from freezing temperatures when the foliage was emerging?

The following three trillium species have been queued up ready to bloom, but with the nightly frosts and cool temperatures they're taking their sweet time.  These three species are being shown together because they're related in a way, all come from deep southeastern USA, each with a narrow distribution range, and all perfectly hardy here in New England. 

Trillium gracile, from a collection in Texas, is finally showing some buds after several years, I'm so anxious to see the flowers.  The plants are very small with the leaves low to the ground, but the stems will elongate somewhat.

T. gracile distibution, Sabine River wakerobin, Slender trillium.
(narrow range in Texas & Louisiana)
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=8108&flora_id=1

Trillium ludovicianum distribution, Louisiana wakerobin, has flowered here the past couple years.  Just one plant, hasn't set any seed so far.
(narrow range, FNA: Louisiana, Mississippi, USDA range map includes Alabama)
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=8111&flora_id=1

I have Trillium foetidissimum from several sources, it's a reliable and attractive species.  I also have some coming along from seed.
T. foetidissimum distribution, Mississippi River wakerobin, Stinking trillium
(narrow range in Louisiana & Mississippi)
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=8107&flora_id=1

Nice everyone! I have started my (new) collection of Trilliums and some had gotten on nicely when I went on holiday. I'm looking forward to coming home!

Wim your yellow chloropetalum look like my 'Ice Crem' a selected form from Barry Sligh.
Mark beautiful plants and a good description, thank you. I have some southern forms, but they do not grow so well as the northern and eastern species.

Here are some picture of Trillium from my garden. The big plant as grow next to kurabayashii is white and has a pleasant smell, so I think it's albidum?

And a few others.

You really have a collection, Kalle!
My humble collection of Trilliums haven't evolved much the last weeks due to the cold weather :-\

Really nice to see all the differing species, Karl.  You sure have a lot of them!  :o
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Trillium sessile seems to still bloom nicely, even in drought conditions, although it hasn't put on much height:

              1 April                                            8 April
       

              14 April                                          14 April
       

Very nice selection from all, really like the yellow kurabayashii.
A selection from the garden this week.

I'm late to return to this topic, I just don't have enough time to respond as much as I'd like.  So many beautiful trillium being posted here, I like them all, but several cause even more Trillium lust than normal ;) such as kurabayashi yellow form, cuneatum, chloropetalum forms, sessile, and of course rivale, oh my!

I've had lots of trillium in bud for weeks and weeks, finally T. ludovicianum if fully open and looking nice, the center has a rosy glow.  

Wonderful plants, all!

Karl, my yellowish T. chloropetalum is not 'Ice Cream', it was a seedling from open pollinated plants.

Mark, I love T. ludovicianum. But it's not easy to grow over here...I guess I'll have to try it from seed once!

The last days we really got warm weather - the hottest days for two years! Even now 10PM local time it is still 23^oC!
Two Trilliums with nodding flowers showed the colour at last. The red one I assume is T. erectum but the other I don't know.

Trond, the red one, with nodding blooms with reflexed petals that form a roughly triangular shape, is Trillium vaseyi.  It's in bloom here too, one of my favorite species.

OK, thanks Mark. I got it with no name, just a number!

Any idea what the other is?

Many nice ones here! So far my Trilliums consist of two pots of seedlings (erectum and grandiflorum, I think, without checking) which after several years are finally making nearly visible leaves  ;D
I'll have to look for some with marked leaves, I know someone in Manitoba that was growing one (don't know which) so I should be able to find a hardy enough sp :)

Lis wrote:

Hoy wrote:

...The red one I assume is T. erectum but the other I don't know.

Could be a white form of T. erectum - it looks like it to me. The white form is not that rare and the red ovary is a strong clue to T. erectum parentage and the wide diamond-shaped leaves are also like T. erectum.  Nice in any case!

Thanks Lis! So the red one I thought was an erectum wasn't and the white one I didn't think was an erectum probably is! Glad to know - I got them with a number and no name :-\

Maybe T. beige ???

bulborum wrote:

Maybe T. beige ???

Is that a name?

Maybe you google Trillium erectum 'Beige'
http://www.hort.net/gallery/view/lil/trierbe40

Roland

Nice form, but it doesn't look beige at all (beige = a very pale brown color).

OK, thanks. I googled Trillium beige and got no hits but Trillium erectum beige did ;)
Mark, beige actually is a colour in Norwegian too (pronounced the French way) but I had to ask my wife how she would describe the colour ;D She said exactly the same as you ;)

Probably it's just a name
same as Blue roses and Red daffodils

Roland

That could be Roland, maybe just a name.  Perhaps in person, the flowers are an "off-white" or a cream color, as opposed to a clean white.  Regardless, it's a most attractive selection.

I agree

very nice selection

It is also why I try not to name colours
but often I give LN names

bulborum wrote:

It is also why I try not to name colours
but often I give LN names

I agree Roland, particularly with such things as Trillium that aren't likely to be vegetatively propagated true to name.

I have much to get caught up with.  Here is Trillium discolor "pale forms" grown from 2006 seed from John Lonsdale, this is the first flowering, a lovely light yellowish color.

Next is Trillium lancifolium from southeastern USA, a real charmer in my opinion. It is starting to mildly seed around.  There is no other species quite like it, with those downturned leaves and narrow petals that intertwine at the apex.

Last is T. grandiflorum 'Roseum', has remained just two stems for a number of years.  The flowers age an even deeper pink.  I have a small crop of 2-year seedlings coming along from John Lonsdale seed.

Looking for advice on soil for Trilliums- as I mentioned, I think its T erectum and grandiflorum seedlings I have-- how much organic material should the soil have, and what about issues of drainage, moisture retention? Most of my woodland plantings will be at the moister end of the property, and natural soils are a fairly thin layer of humus over a clayey soil (most perennials etc do fine in our soil unamended) but I am also working on some low berms in the area that are part soil part leaf/grass compost, and developing another bed on a site that was used for dumping leaves, grass, sticks and bits of wood, a bit of old potting soil etc (and some junk like old pots and plastic I have to pick out!) which I think will end up being somewhat raised and quite loose and humusy....

Mark, T lancifolium is a strange one - very uncommon shape! I like it ;)

Here is some correspondence about Trillium erectum Beige

it seems to be not a valid name
but just used in the commerce

I took away the .nl against spambots

Roland

Caroline Dean via science.uu

17:14 (17 uren geleden)

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRER3

http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_...

I agree, numerous references point to cultivars in commercial sale, however, scientific documentation for “Trillium erectum f. Beige“ is elusive

RADean

I can't recall ever hearing of that name being published as a valid name. However I haven't done a real literature search for that specific epithet.

Richard

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Bulborum Botanicum wrote:

Is there someone who knows where the name Trillium erectum f. Beige comes from

Roland

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Addition to Trillium erectum Beige

This mail just arrived

Roland

Quote:

In my earlier post, I may have given the impression that I was just remembering that I bought T. erectum beige from Arrowhead Alpines (AA) in 1995.  But this is directly from a copy of their 1995 catalog:

"TRILLIUM ERECTUM BEIGE"

A fairly unusual erectum that may have some hybrid parentage

Considering that the price for three of these plants was $6.00 in 1995 (inexpensive even for that time),  I am guessing it possible that AA obtained them from Tennessee collections and, per John Lonsdale's observation, those collectors may have sent their name along with the plants.

As I was rummaging through my old records for an older catalog, my wife, Joan, thought I was finally about to put all that "junk" out for recycling.  I was not, and I could not find an older catalog for AA.  That leaves us with the 1995 AA catalog as the oldest "documented" use of the term which, I agree, most likely merely refers to the off-white color.

Jerry Hudgens  

Roland, did you suggest that my plant is T erectum BEIGE?
I got it from a nursery man who is an peony expert  http://www.pionhagen.no/  and he just had a number on it (his own, no collection number).

No I didn't
I couldn't find an answer where the name T erectum BEIGE came from

Lis wrote:

cohan wrote:

Looking for advice on soil for Trilliums- as I mentioned, I think its T erectum and grandiflorum seedlings I have--

Don't know if you got any reply.... as far as I can see, T. grandiflorum is pretty easy-going. It does like (need) sun in the spring but I have it growing in masses in woodsy soil, in clay, in marshy soil, even among rocks with little or no soil. It needs good drainage later in the season as it spends a long time dormant. T. erectum is a little fussier; it likes more shade and more moisture but still good drainage in the later summer and the winter.

Your slightly raised woodsy beds sound perfect!

Thanks, Lis! There seem to be quite a few seedlings in each pot (I sowed them in wide not too deep hanging baskets-8inches? expecting them to be some time to planting out0, so I can try a couple of spots; all still just at single small leaf stage, though I think the seeds were sown fall 2009 from Gardens North moist packs; Some Hepatica sown at the same time are just starting to look like real plants with several leaves :) and Corydalis nobilis, also same time, are 6 inches high or more,  huge by comparison!

A couple pics of the first Trillium in bloom here  :)

T.angustipetalum.

A number of pots of different Trillium rivale forms are in bud needing a few days of warmth.

Cheers Dave.

Excellent, Dave!  Not very angusti-folium (narrow-leaf), is it.
  Maybe we should rename it angusti-florum...  ;)  Either way, might cool!  8)

I would have expected T. rivale to be closely related to T. nivale, and thus blooming very, very early.  I guess you just never know with mother nature.

I am needing a few days of warmth too!

Rick, they're already named angusti-petalum!

Nice Dave! It is still 1/2 year till I can enjoy mine . . .

Hoy wrote:

Rick, they're already named angusti-petalum!

Well, to make what would be a long story short: I should have just re-read that post. Our "embarrassed" emoticon should have a red face... :-[

RickR wrote:

Hoy wrote:

Rick, they're already named angusti-petalum!

Well, to make what would be a long story short: I should have just re-read that post. Our "embarrassed" emoticon should have a red face... :-[

Rick, you are forgiven  ;)  I don't know your long story but I have a tendency to read what I think it is and not actually what it is  ;D

It seems to be a species named T. angustifolium - without narrow leaves too ;D

You mean Trifolium angustifolium  ;D

Roland

That, in fact, is part of the long story.  It seems there is (was) a Trillium angustifolium that is considered a synonym of a different trillium variety (T. pusillium http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-290554 ).  And even at a glance, when I quickly googled T. angustifolium, up pops a pic that looks just like Dave's plant (and wrongly named, of course).

And blah, blah...
Glad we got that straightened out! ;D

Yes, we couldn't have bigger problems, could we ;D

A few Trillium rivales are just showing colour .
The first two show similar markings however each have a different petal shape .

The last two pics are of Uk seed sown 2006.

Cheers Dave.

They were nice, all of them!

All great all round plants, Dave.. the different forms on the rivale are nice!

Thanks guys

Been a good summer/autumn for Trillium germination --a few months on and cotyledon growth is evident ,with a few seedlings in their second year..
Pic shows about half of the pots of this years success.

Cheers Dave.

Dave

It looks if you soon need a much bigger garden  ;D

Roland

bulborum wrote:

Dave

It looks if you soon need a much bigger garden  ;D

Roland

;D ;D

Actually i underestimated Roland ....my earlier pic only shows a third of the germinated pots.

Here's a few images from today.

Cheers Dave.

No slugs and no strong wind to damage the beauties?

bulborum wrote:

Dave

It looks if you soon need a much bigger garden  ;D

Roland

;D ;D
Or else revamp parts of the existing garden by giving away a few Rhodos,Camellias etc and planting out a few T.s.

Shots of a couple small beds completed last year ---currently only the Westerners are in bloom with some of the Eastern sps /hybrids just coming through the mulch--hence the gaps ......

Followed by pics of Trilliums from various plots.

Hoy wrote:

No slugs and no strong wind to damage the beauties?

Very little slug activity or wind to worry about Trond --although i do have other problems .

Last year and the one previously i sprayed with Octave to counter the effects of fungal attack on some of the Westerners--this dries up the leaf edges where there is obvious damage however i think the ground around the plant needs to well soaked to improve success-- some plants are blind for a year or two..... a few rot----some recover and do well and flower the following season......

As an experiment to see what happens I've not bothered spraying this year --in any case my focus is on trying to increase my colour forms of Easterners.

Cheers Dave.

Oh my, Dave!  Astounding!

And that trillium with the double picoteed sepals... AMAZING!  :o :o :o

People would give there right arm for that Erythronium, too!

That looks to be Erythronium revolutum which often has nicely mottled leaves.  My Dad has huge patches of the stuff and some of them have the darkly mottled leaves.  I've also got a few (I think-they're dormant now).

Jan

RickR wrote:

Oh my, Dave!  Astounding!

And that trillium with the double picoteed sepals... AMAZING!  :o :o :o

People would give there right arm for that Erythronium, too!

Thanks Rick

If you want seed of that Erythronium just let me know.

As Jan has mentioned it's E.revolutum.

I have a number of Ery. pics so i'll do a search and post under the correct thread ... :) .

Cheers Dave.

A few more Westerners out .

I'll leave it to the experts to try and put a label to them ..........I'm not going there  :)

The second last pic is the first flowering of a plant i raised from seed as T.angustipetalum with two flowering stems --in my experience this is not unusual.
Will be interesting next season to see if the pink colour tone intensifies.

Last pic --an Easterner --a clump of Trillium grandiflorum.

Cheers Dave.  
 

Creme de la creme  :P

Trillium chloropetalum 'Val Mulvihill'.

Cheers Dave.

Dave, I have to shut my eyes when looking at these plants! Or else the lust to grow such gems grows too big ;D
I have planted some of the more common types till now and sowed seeds but I aim to slowly increase my collection!

WOW!  8) 8) 8)

Some great stuff, Dave- I think I should watch for some more seed too :)

Spectacularly superb, Dave!  :o :o :o

Val Mulvihill certainly is breathtaking, but every one of them put mine to shame.  The multiple color schemes are so complementary;  how does mother nature do that?

Thanks all .

RickR wrote:

Spectacularly superb, Dave!  :o :o :o

Val Mulvihill certainly is breathtaking, but every one of them put mine to shame.  The multiple color schemes are so complementary;  how does mother nature do that?

Rick
She's a wonderful master isn't she...I think if you can grow enough whites, purple and maroon together you are giving her a head start..... :)

I understand that seedings from T. chloropetalum 'Val Mulvihill don't come true and the colours are all over the place including in one instance a very bright,(buttercup), clear yellow --it's a cracker !Sorry i haven't been able to locate a pic ........ :o

I saw another beauty last weekend at a friends place ,(parentage unknown)--the owner allowed me to pinch the bud a little to reveal the deep red petals to come --in any case i'd grow it for the foliage alone . :-*

Cheers Dave.

Magnificent, Dave.

Beautiful foliage.

Thanks Guys.

It's Trillium Weekend time down in this part of the world.

Many folk are making their way to Dunedin ,(South Islands 2nd largest city) --as it's less than 3 hours travel from here ,a number have made the journey a bit further south and yesterday a few of us locals showed some of them around --included in the visitors were Larry and Mickie Stauffer from western USA.

While most of my trilliums are looking decidedly tatty ,the result of a couple recent hail storms,we were able to visit a friends property where he grows 95% of his collection in a couple of tunnel houses.

The following are shots of his set up.

Early start tomorrow as we slowly head up country to the main event --i say slowly as we have a number of nurseries/gardens to visit on the way .... :)

The weather forecast isn't flash --hopefully i'll have pics to show early next week.

Cheers Dave.  

WOW

The Trilliums don't seem to mind to be growing in a polytunnel! Impressive!!

Did you ask what potting mixture your friend is using

Roland

bulborum wrote:

Did you ask what potting mixture your friend is using

Roland

Apologies for the delay Roland --I've just spoken to him .

He uses peat and mushroom compost at a ratio of 3 to 1.
A bit of sheep manure ,course river sand and fine Oyster grit.

We had a wonderful ,eventful Trillium weekend --will post when time allows this weekend .As a teaser here's a pic of a plant i purchased while away. :P

Cheers Dave.

I am surprised for the peat
I thought they would like more heavier mixture

Here our last show weekend last weekend started with SNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
first time in my live we had snow at an autumn show

Roland

A couple of T's raised from seed ,currently flowering for the first time .

T.vaseyi---- A small flowered form.

A nicely marked T.erectum hybrid that unfortunately has the flowers declined below the leaves.

Cheers Dave

Nice ones Dave! Offhand, I don't think I've seen a trillium I didn't like- though I reserve the right to modify that (such as if there are any double flowers I'm forgetting...lol)

Thanks Cohan

It's getting towards the end of the season here .

The first couple pics are of a beauty i was given recently --huge flowers of substance.  :-* :-*

I quite like T.viridescens --sorry leaves are a bit 'munted' by the wind. :(

however i must admit T.catesbaei isn't a favourite.....

Cheers Dave.

It is nice to see these Trilliums, Dave! Now I am looking forward to the spring here yet it is still fall.

Question for Trillium seed propagators - What do you think of Deno's suggestion that Gibberellic Acid is almost requisite to induce germination in recalcitrant Trillium seed? I received some seed via the seedex (two colour forms of T chloropetalum, along with seed for T. albidum), which was not moist packed. I am wondering if dripping a GA3 solution over the planted seed would be helpful to boost my chances at getting any germination from them , as Gene Mirro does with Gentians - see thread: http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=1232.0