Trillium 2011

WimB wrote:

I take it there will be a lot more posts of this very nice plants from the people in N-America since it's a native to your continent, but anyhow: the first Trillium in flower in my garden.

Thanks for starting this Wim; we have lots more weeks before we begin to see the likes of Trillium sessile or other trillium in much of "hardy North America".  Your season is so much more advanced than ours.

Here are pictures of my Trillium "Volcano" and Trillium nivale bronze foliage clone. These are the only ones flowering right now but I have many others that will be flowering over the next few days and weeks. Spring is in full bloom here and Anemone nemorosa are all starting to flower now.

James, your bronze foliage clone of Trillium nivale also has much narrower leaves than the norm, too.

These are wild ones in situ in southeast Minnesota, several springs ago.

James wrote:

Here are pictures of my Trillium "Volcano" and Trillium nivale bronze foliage clone. These are the only ones flowering right now but I have many others that will be flowering over the next few days and weeks. Spring is in full bloom here and Anemone nemorosa are all starting to flower now.

James, is "Volcano" an official cultivar name? And what species is it a selection of, Trillium kurabayashii?  It's really a bright and rich red, the color stands out well.

James, might your Trillium with slender bronze foliage actually be T. pusillum; googling I found lots of photos of T. pusillum that look similar to your plant, including the bronzy leaf tone on some forms.

Hi Mark, yes it is Trillium pusillum "Dark leaf form" there are about seven published varieties and like many Trillium can be very hard to ID sometimes. As for Trillium "Volcano" yes it is a cultivar of Trillium chloropetalum not Trillium kurabayashii. T. Volcano is one of the largest Trillium's I have ever grown it gets at least 2 feet tall and becomes huge clumps in a few years, However in places where you get hard late frosts you would have to protect it like many of the Pacific Northwest Trillium since they come up very early.

I love those plants but I haven't had much luck with Trilliums so far. Have tried several but they never "take off" :( Don't know what the problem is though...

Have to try some more from seed, maybe seedlings are easier to establish if not eaten by slugs. Is it better using fresh than stored seed?

Fresh seed is best when starting trillium. :)

James wrote:

Fresh seed is best when starting trillium. :)

I thought so!

RickR wrote:

James, your bronze foliage clone of Trillium nivale also has much narrower leaves than the norm, too.

These are wild ones in situ in southeast Minnesota, several springs ago.

Rick,

nice to see a picture of T. nivale in the wild. It's almost impossible to keep this plant in the garden here, I've always wondered what's the difference between our climate and the climate where they grow in the wild.

In flower this week: Two western sessile hybrids and a Trillium albidum

Wonderful trilliums, Wim!

In Minnesota, native Trillium nivale begins blooming before any other wild spring ephemeral is up at all, let alone blooming or even in bud.  Even the Hepatica is still asleep.  The only exception might be our wild Pulsatilla patens, which would just be emerging.  As you would expect because the the cold temps, Trillium nivale is in bloom for a very long time, and ends about the same time as when the native Hepatica acutiloba bloom ends.

Very nice Wim ,James and Rick.

Spent last saturday dividing a number of clumps in the garden and restocking the
Trillium shade house.

Yesterday applied pine needles/leaf mould to the eastern beds.

Cheers Dave.

Dave, nice stuff there.  And that screenhouse is a nice touch to keep rodents out of your pots, a prevent birds from stealing the labels!

Dave, I like your garden! What a place to explore ;D ;D

Hoy....Here's a link to Bill Cullina's instruction on growing Trillium from seed. Good luck!
http://www.williamcullina.com/files/Download/Trillium%20Seed%20Propagati...

AmyO wrote:

Hoy....Here's a link to Bill Cullina's instruction on growing Trillium from seed. Good luck!
http://www.williamcullina.com/files/Download/Trillium%20Seed%20Propagati...

Thanks Amy. Now the next step is to obtain some seed!

RickR wrote:

Dave, nice stuff there.  And that screenhouse is a nice touch to keep rodents out of your pots, a prevent birds from stealing the labels!

Hoy wrote:

Dave, I like your garden! What a place to explore ;D ;D

Thanks Rick ,Hoy

Although our property is an acre in size most of it is protected bush ,with a little 'cleared ' around the house for small lawns and 'domestic' planting.

The shade house is just somewhere where i can place surplus potted Trillium plants ,(about 300 in total currently) and also T. seedpots.
Never had problems with rodents in respect of pots,(although i actively trap possums and poisen for rats ,both introduced, to aid the native bird/wildlife---however backing onto a larger forested public reserve, it's not a battle i'm winning . :(

Cheers Dave.

Dave, Are you allowed to walk in the protected bushland?

Yes there are walkways in the larger reserve ,(also protected),which is frequented regularly by the public and their pets,(dogs), Hoy.Hence i think the officials reluctance in ongoing pest control......

The gravel paths there undulate over ancient sandhills and it's where i used to train ,a few years ago, for marathons and mountain running ,(when i had youth on my side and a different body shape --lol ;  :o  :o ;)

We also have paths in our little patch and i've recently extended a path down into a small gorge of the creek that borders our southern boundary ,to allow better access in viewing glow worms at night.

Cheers Dave

Seems to be a nice place to live, Dave!

Desperately looking for
Trillium grandiflorum 'Jenny Rhodes'
Kinugasa japonica / Paris japonica
Any F-1 Trillium hybrids

RickR wrote:

James, your bronze foliage clone of Trillium nivale also has much narrower leaves than the norm, too.

These are wild ones in situ in southeast Minnesota, several springs ago.

Very nice! Still working on getting some trilliums here, I feel cheated that we don't have any native...lol I do hope some of the trillium seed I sowed in fall 09 appears this year .. need to get some more in any case, will have to see what Kristl is offering!

The following comments relate to Trillium propagation,

Spent part of last weekend splitting a number of different clumps of species in the garden and potting on the offsets---namely T.chloropetalum--T, sulcatum--T.vaseyii--T .viredescens and T.pusillum.

I normally do this in late January when the foliage is starting to turn ,however due to earlier field trips ,and recent activity,(a final effort to finish the remodelling of the garden),i've been behind the 'eight ball' for a while  ;D.

Although it is not the generally accepted time to divide,all my attempts the last couple of years at around this period were fine, so i'm confident of success.

Shot of a clump of double white T.grandiflorum forma flore pleno .

6 offsets from the clump.

As an experiment I cut the nose off one of the offsets and scooped out some of its flesh, in an effort to induce a number of multiple new growths from the injury.

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About 120 seedpots of trilliums are on the 'move'.

Removing some of the mix in a pot of Trillium chloro yellow ,(x NZ Trillium Group seedlist), sown July 2010 shows cotyledon growths in that bent stage before straightening and appearing above ground in spring.

A little further 'digging' shows a very small rhizome forming .

However not all seed in this pot is at that stage --some still have not germinated or are just starting to send out a radicle.

Cheers Dave.

I have never dared to split slow-growing species like Trillium! Haven't had much to split either. . . .

Hoy wrote:

I have never dared to split slow-growing species like Trillium! Haven't had much to split either. . . .

Hoy
A good source of Trillium seed is the New Zealand Trillium Group --you don't have to be a donor to request seed although donors obviously have first choice.
Subs are only NZ $15 --a couple of newsletters each year.

Contact details are ----    [email protected]

Cheers Dave.

Toole wrote:

Hoy wrote:

I have never dared to split slow-growing species like Trillium! Haven't had much to split either. . . .

Hoy
A good source of Trillium seed is the New Zealand Trillium Group --you don't have to be a donor to request seed although donors obviously have first choice.
Subs are only NZ $15 --a couple of newsletters each year.

Contact details are ----    [email protected]

Cheers Dave.

A good idea! Thanks Dave.

I forgot about this Trillium 2011 topic and I put some trillium photos amid other general topics :P

One of my favorite Trillium species is T. catesbaei.  While it has nodding flowers, the foliage is smallish and narrow enough to not interfere with seeing the blooms, even from above.  I have them is various colors, from a few near white ones, through shades of pink, to deep rose ones. Shown is one of the deep color forms.

Two more views of T. catesbaei from further back, to see the backdrop of Saruma henryi with perky yellow flowers.

Trillium vaseyi is much later flowering than many trillium, in this view, the flowers are at a rare stage for a day or so, where the buds start opening to have a cup shape, but they will shortly fold tightly backwards wrapping around the calyx lobes to form a flat triangle shape, unique!  Above and to the left, is the self-sown plant from T. vaseyi that is huge, with leaves twice the size, and flowering later, which I suspected of being a hybrid, but all who saw photos I posted last year assured me it was simply a T. vaseyi variant.  Also seen (on the right) is two stems of T. recurvatum, which have been in flower for a couple weeks.

Mark, I am still striving to grow Trilliums! And now you allure me to make new efforts. I have also tried Saruma several times, and the winter is no problem, but guess what is!

I sowed some Saruma  couple of years ago.. nothing came up, I'll have to try again...
As for Trilliums, I think I see some action finally in a pot sown in fall '09! Those will be my first T's.... need to get more seed...lol

cohan wrote:

I sowed some Saruma  couple of years ago.. nothing came up, I'll have to try again...
As for Trilliums, I think I see some action finally in a pot sown in fall '09! Those will be my first T's.... need to get more seed...lol

Saruma makes a lot of seed here, with self-sown seedlings occasionally popping up.  I'll try to collect some seed later on when it's ready and I'm glad to share some.  I've never deliberately sown the seed, so not familiar with what the requirements are for germination.

Thanks, Mark! I think it was warm/cold/warm or cold/warm.... Seed was from Kristl, so I'm  sure it was good but I no doubt did something wrong with timing...

Some Trillium photos from today, yet another overcast cool weather day.

Trillium grandiflorum 'Multiplex' reaching the late anthesis pink-tinged stage.  Just beyond and above it, is T. rugelii.

Trillium rugelii, one of the nodding trillium types, in the the left photo one gets a hint that there might be flower beneath the leaves, and in the right-hand photo, the leaves lifted to reveal the flowers... large size as nodding trillium species go, and with a large central purple ovary and stamen mass.

The unique flower disposition on Trillium vaseyi, with the folded back petals... fascinating.  In the center photo you can see T. recurvatum on the right.

A small grouping of Trillium foetidissimum, with a form of Arisaema triphyllum beyond.  The trillium blooms are indeed lightly foetid smelling, but only at very close hand with one's nose stuck into the flower... an attractive little Trillium only about 5-6" tall.

Mark, I am thinking of terminating my kitchen garden to grow trilliums ;D

Hoy wrote:

Mark, I am thinking of terminating my kitchen garden to grow trilliums ;D

With Ducks? ;)

cohan wrote:

Hoy wrote:

Mark, I am thinking of terminating my kitchen garden to grow trilliums ;D

With Ducks? ;)

Yes, the whole Duck family with uncle Scrooge in front:
Slugwatching!

Oddly, I seem to have slugs but not slug damage.. I can only suppose that I have enough natural predators to keep them in check..

cohan wrote:

Oddly, I seem to have slugs but not slug damage.. I can only suppose that I have enough natural predators to keep them in check..

I have predators too, some slug-egg-eating beetles and birds to name some, but we have many different species of slugs and snails and some are worse than other. The humid climate here make the slugs and snails active almost every day and night.

:(

First Trillium,raised as T. angustipetalum ,is out with many Western sps/hybrids just needing a little more warmth to show some colour.

Cheers Dave.

Beautiful form and color on that one Dave, I LIKE IT!

McDonough wrote:

Beautiful form and color on that one Dave, I LIKE IT!

Thanks Mark --i have quite a number of different coloured T.angustipetalums ---suggest watch this space  :D

Cheers Dave.

Love all the interesting foliage on trilliums, too.  Nice plant, Dave!

"suggest watching this space."
Deffinitely!

Thanks Rick.

Another T.angustipetalum just out today showing a yellow center and darker tip colour than the plant posted above.

Also note the different colour of the sepals --in this case they are green with a brown stripe along each edge ....

All just variations on a theme i guess  :)

The yellows and hopefully some lime greens aren't too far away and then we should be into the chloros......

Cheers Dave.

Very nice!  They hardly need to flower at all with that foliage!

Toole wrote:

Also note the different colour of the sepals --in this case they are green with a brown stripe along each edge ....

Cheers Dave.

Sometimes I will look at the photo before I read the accompanying post, and I notice that brown penciling right away.  Very fetching!

A few more T's in bloom.

Trillium nivale close up.

A couple of T.chloro hybrids .

Another one with yummy foliage   :P----when fully open will be a nice lemon with a red throat.

Cheers Dave

That one is especially scrumptious, Dave!  Does the foliage hold its colors?

Congratulations on your Trillium nivale.  It looks like they might already be suffering from heat, unless that flower is already weeks old.  Here in Minnesota the wild plants bloom while there is still old snow at least in the low places, and well before the last spring snows (early to mid March).

Thanks Rick--yip the foliage coloring/pattern is stable.

The T .nivale flower had just opened .A day on and it has already started to bend over towards partial sun.

As i mentioned last season i was down to just a few plants after giving a number away so I'm pleased to see a second plant coming into bloom.I'll let them seed in situ and hopefully build up numbers again.

Cheers Dave.

Dave, I have commented on Trillium chloropetalum before, but I must comment again that I find that species worth growing just for the rounded fullness of the foliage alone.  I'll add it to my list of species to be on the look out for.

Recently ripening were two seed pods on my extra super-duper robust Trillium vaseyi, the pods at the perfect level of ripeness, bursting open but not yet shed... I squeezed the gooey contents directly into a spot in the garden; only 6-7 more years to go ;)  Oddly enough, this is the only species that set any seed this year, most unusual to see such paucity of trillium seed.

Don't you just love the "triangulariness" of Trillium vaseyi blooms when the segments fold tightly backwards behind themselves. :D

My trillium seed would have been kiped by ants long before the bursting stage.  But in fact, none of my seven trilliums produced seed this season.  With it being so wet in spring and early summer, pollination was poor on many plants.

Luckily we have no ants on our property Rick.

A few more...

T.cuneatum --sown July 06 -- unfortunately the pic doesn't show how very short these plants are --(the blurred T.chloro in the background distorts the scale).

Trillium rivale close up.

Yellow T.angustipetalum is about to open with petals that seem unusually long this season ?.....

Cheers Dave

Dave, I said it before and I'll say it again...you grow some wonderful Trilliums.

Love the yellow T. angustifolium.

Has the yellow chloro with the red throat opened already? Must be wonderful with those stunning leaves! No forms like that available over here (yet)  :(  :'(

Thanks Wim for the kind comments.
The 'lemon' T. hasn't opened fully yet ,(it's in one of the shadiest beds) .Will 'post' when it's at its best.

I only cultivate a small number of the wonderful coloured forms of T.chloro and other Western sps grown here in NZ.
The NZ Trillium Group have their annual weekend in 4 weeks time - hopefully I'll be able to show you some bright yellows , bronze and unusual combinations.

My focus continues to be on the later sps such as sulcatum , erectum, flexipes etc as i consider there is great potential there, (and these sps, in my garden ,do not appear to be affected by fungus that attacks the westerners ).

Cheers Dave.  

Toole wrote:

The 'lemon' T. hasn't opened fully yet ,(it's in one of the shadiest beds) .Will 'post' when it's at its best.

...hopefully I'll be able to show you some bright yellows , bronze and unusual combinations.

I'm looking forward to it  :) :)

I was introduced to T. rivale just this past spring.  In fact, not even knowing there was such a species, I initially thought it was a typo for "nivale" and said to myself "I don't think so...".  The speckling is really attractive!

Toole wrote:

Luckily we have no ants on our property Rick.

Cheers Dave

Gasp.  I didn't think that was possible anywhere in the world!

Super Trilliums, t00lie, looking very good.

Rick: Oddly enough, in concert with our chum in New Zealand, we have no ants in our garden here in North East Scotland either.
Not that that helps with the Trillium seed, since wasps love to steal it.  :-[

IMYoung wrote:

Super Trilliums, t00lie, looking very good.

Rick: Oddly enough, in concert with our chum in New Zealand, we have no ants in our garden here in North East Scotland either.
Not that that helps with the Trillium seed, since wasps love to steal it.  :-[

First of all, let me say again how much I'm enjoying the Trillium photos, particularly the T. chloro. hybrids.

Secondly: NO ANTS!!!!!  We have a few billion-million-gazillion here, many types.  I had planned a whole series of topics here on NARGS, one being " Garden Adversity", showcasing key factors, and ants is most definitely one of the primary challenges.  But, with my crazy ridiculous time-sucking job I never got most of these past just "an idea".  I don't want to derail this excellent Trillium topic, so I will indeed start my "Garden Adversity" thread, and will rant over there ;D.  Now, back to trillium!

IMYoung wrote:

Super Trilliums, t00lie, looking very good.

Thanks Maggi,(i presume  :) )---They have looked better--a number of plants have foliage damage .I'm hoping the later ones just coming into growth are an improvement.

Rick ,here's another T.rivale ,raised from seed sent to me a few years ago from a generous forumist in Ireland.

Another T.rivale full of promise--deep pink in the bud.

The leaf pattern of T.luteum is reason alone to cultivate it.

Cheers Dave.

Hope you all don't mind but here's a few more for Mark ..... ;D showing some more colour variations ...

A bright yellow.

Pale lemon, maroon throat and veining.

Off white, strong coloured throat fading well up the petals.

Pink base,yellow mid region topped off with white. ----Close up.

Cheers Dave.

Ah!, the touch of a master ;D

deesen wrote:

Ah!, the touch of a master ;D

Well put !!!

;D

Some more different T.rivales .

Narrow petaled spotted white.

Trough view of a clump of large white.

Yummy pink.

Cheers Dave.

Just dropping in to brag about my garden tour at Daves yesterday . Caught him with his camera out  ;D

A beautiful woodland garden in the middle of a forest . He even suffers from excessive seed tray syndrome like the rest of us :)

I have been reluctant to look at this thread for a while - I know some of you grow trilliums that I never have managed :(  Today I couldn't resist the desire anymore. . . Marvellous, Dave!)
However I have started afresh and bought some rhizomes and got some seed ;D
Hopefully I can manage the slugs >:(

Jandals wrote:

Just dropping in to brag about my garden tour at Daves yesterday . Caught him with his camera out  ;D

A beautiful woodland garden in the middle of a forest . He even suffers from excessive seed tray syndrome like the rest of us :)

We enjoyed your company Steve.In view of all the slipping and sliding in your jandals you'll be pleased to see i've just graveled the back paths..... ;D

Hoy wrote:

I have been reluctant to look at this thread for a while - I know some of you grow trilliums that I never have managed :(  Today I couldn't resist the desire anymore. . . Marvellous, Dave!)
However I have started afresh and bought some rhizomes and got some seed ;D
Hopefully I can manage the slugs >:(

Thanks Hoy

Seed isn't difficult ..it's the waiting !!...... :D.Best of luck.

Just a few more ! :rolleyes:

Some of the various sized seed trays with current germination.

Graveled paths.

T. angustipetalum brown.

T. erectum luteum

and close up.

3 sps not yet flowering but full of promise...

Hopefully first flowering of T discolor

and the same for T.sessile.

A nicely veined form of T rivale.

First flowering of a seedling with a thick look to it's petals and the colouring isn't too bad either. ;)

Cheers Dave.

Oops

View of metaled paths.

Cheers Dave.

Haven't been able to post as i let my dues to the NARGS lapse --my fault  :-[ however that's all sorted now  ;D .
A number of the easterners are out so here's a mix of erectums ,sulcatums and flexipes and a few others.

Cheers Dave.

more  :D

Last lot.

Cheers Dave.

Wow, what an array! 
Oh my, that T. pusillum!
Oh my, that T. ludovicianum!
Oh my, oh my, oh my!

In this group pic: IMG_5212.JPG, what is the plant in the left foreground, below the exquisitely painted Podophyllum and to the left of the box?
And what is that Erythronium?

Thanks Rick

Still a number of others yet to open fully including the double white T.grandiflorums.

The plant in the left foreground is of a Erythronium seedling--revolutum i think .

The Erythronium in the box is E.citrinium .

For more Trillium viewing  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: here's a link to the recent Trillium weekend in NZ.

http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7750.0

Cheers Dave.

Toole wrote:

In view of all the slipping and sliding in your jandals you'll be pleased to see i've just graveled the back paths.....

Thanks for that . Ever so embarrassing getting stuck ( or unexpectedly sitting ) whilst viewing a garden .  :)

Dave, I wouldn't mind growing any of them in my garden ;D
I have planted some this fall and sown some seeds too hoping to get at least a couple of plants surviving :)

Thanks Hoy .

T.grandiflorum clump followed by a close up.

Seed raised from T. grandiflorum roseum ,although showing dark stems, unfortunately blooms are white . :(

T.grandiflorum flore pleno earlier on showing the yellow center before this starts to fade as the bloom matures.

Close up.

A few more others ........

Cheers Dave.

Last lot.

The green veins on the petals of the last one is particularly nice.

Love the red stems, too.

Now I can't wait till spring to see whether some of my new trilliums survive! - and seeds germinate ;)

Really beautiful photos! I'm anxious for spring now too....I planted lots of Trillium this year from various sources and sowed loads of seed. I have definitly caught the bug! :D

Thanks Rick,Hoy and Amy

A year or so ago i moved a number of strong erectums , flexipes and sulcatums ,from around the garden and planted them into a bed together in the hope the pollinators would do their thing and I'd end up with some interesting colour combinations.Obviously it will be awhile before i see the results of that experiment.

However in the meantime i am pleasantly surprised each season when seedlings sown from various sources ,flower for the first time  --here's one i found today --nice purplish edging to the petal.

Cheers Dave
PS Rick --just noticed today the Podophyllum you commented on earlier is forming flowers  ;D

Toole wrote:

However in the meantime i am pleasantly surprised each season when seedlings sown from various sources ,flower for the first time  --here's one i found today --nice purplish edging to the petal.

Oh yes, that is a keeper for sure! I hope mine turn out as nice.

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author=RickR link=topic=631.msg11787#msg11787 date=1318901782

..... below the exquisitely painted Podophyllum ........

The Podophyllum in question is P.Kaleidoscope and currently at it's peak .Yummy ... :P

Hopefully i can locate seed of other sps and hybrids because the ones i do have here love the conditions .

Cheers Dave.

Beautiful, Dave.

And isn't that an exceptional number of flowers for a Podophyllum?

An enviable plant! And no slug damage damage ;)

I've been lusting after that Podophyllum or P. 'Spotty Dotty' for so long!! Anyone know where I can get my hands on either plants or seed?

AmyO wrote:

I've been lusting after that Podophyllum or P. 'Spotty Dotty' for so long!! Anyone know where I can get my hands on either plants or seed?

Here's one resource found after a quick google check:
http://www.heronswood.com/new-for-2012/podophyllum-spotty-dotty-ppaf/

McDonough wrote:

AmyO wrote:

I've been lusting after that Podophyllum or P. 'Spotty Dotty' for so long!! Anyone know where I can get my hands on either plants or seed?

Here's one resource found after a quick google check:
http://www.heronswood.com/new-for-2012/podophyllum-spotty-dotty-ppaf/

thanks for that Mark but as feared, they are unavailable!  :-\
I'll keep checking tho'. I will not give up!! :D

RickR wrote:

Beautiful, Dave.

And isn't that an exceptional number of flowers for a Podophyllum?

Thanks Rick --

i have no experience with this one ,(this is it's first flowering).......however i understand some plants can have up to 20 flowers ------maybe next year ! ;D

AmyO wrote:

I've been lusting after that Podophyllum or P. 'Spotty Dotty' for so long!! Anyone know where I can get my hands on either plants or seed?

Hello Amy
if it sets seed i'd be happy to send you some fresh.

Just P.M. me with your snail mail details if interested .

Cheers Dave.

AmyO wrote:

McDonough wrote:

AmyO wrote:

I've been lusting after that Podophyllum or P. 'Spotty Dotty' for so long!! Anyone know where I can get my hands on either plants or seed?

Here's one resource found after a quick google check:
http://www.heronswood.com/new-for-2012/podophyllum-spotty-dotty-ppaf/

thanks for that Mark but as feared, they are unavailable!  :-\
I'll keep checking tho'. I will not give up!! :D

I can try to send you one
just PM me

Roland