Image of the day - 2012

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Lori wrote:

Nothing in flower here either but with each day a second or two longer now, here are some mountain scenes and some local alpines to make us yearn for spring! Happy New Year, all!

Lovely pics Lori

Hoy wrote:

Lori, your pictures always make me feel guilty - guilty of sitting lazy in the sofa instead of getting out there where the diamonds are to be found ;)

I know how you feel Hoy ...well sort of :) Here i'm stuck finishing off a job for a client spraying with a knapsack around 5000 newly planted natives ,all the while i'm itching to get back up into the hills --anyway regardless of the work situation i've decided i'm away botanizing next weekend.

Here's a wee beauty-- Brodiaea terrestris with thick looking almost succulent like petals .Enjoying the dry warm conditions of the last 3 weeks .

Cheers Dave.

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Wed, 02/29/2012 - 4:10pm

Anne- love to see the naturalised spring flowers!

Rick, here the birds take almost any and all berries, usually as soon as ripe, or barely, though there can be occasions when a few berries last longer, either just chance or some difference in the year...
As for colour- Lonicera involucrata has black berries (not supposed to be edible), quite early, and those disappear very very fast, as do Amelanchier alnifolia, blue, and medium early,- usually I can't even pick any for seed -let alone to eat--before they are gone, and there are several stands right in the yard, so I can watch them ripening! Cornus sericea with white berries and wild raspberries with red are eaten, though not quite as instantly, Shepherdia canadensis with red aren't eaten immediately, maybe they like these riper? but within a couple of weeks they are cleaned out thoroughly..
I always marvel at seeing Sorbus berries on the trees for a long time in towns, guess there are less birds there!
Ribes berries seem to be left longer- though maybe that's because they are harder to get at (under leaves, and or dangly strands) for birds than those on some other shrubs? Symphoricarpos stay on for a while, but are all eaten usually before snow... The only fruit left into winter usually is  rose hips...

Trond, I'd be interested in most Sorbus apart from the most common couple of large tree species-- any shrubbier/small tree types, and especially any fruit colour other than orange (for all I'll get to appreciate them before they get eaten...lol) I have small seedlings in the ground of S reducta? a very small one...

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 10:13pm

Trond, I'll try to remind you later for seed, too.  A friend gave me a Sorbus potoriifolia, which I was pretty excited about, but it didn't even make it through a first winter. :(

Winter has been uneventful here too, until last night when we received 6 inches of wet snow and freezing rain.  I don't like these ice storms.  We never, ever had them until the climate change of the last several years.  Happy to get the precipitation, though.  So now ya'll will have to suffer through some more winter pics...

The bendability of Chamaecyparis spp. (False cypress) always amazes me.  This arcing Chamaecyparis thyoides is really twelve feet high, and will spring back all by itself.

             

Ponderosa pine (Pinus ponderosa)

       

No damage from the storm at my house, except a couple  broken 3 inch branches on a River birch. 
Pinus strobus 'Wintergold'

             

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Wed, 02/29/2012 - 10:55pm
RickR wrote:

Trond, I'll try to remind you later for seed, too.  A friend gave me a Sorbus potoriifolia, which I was pretty excited about, but it didn't even make it through a first winter. :(

Winter has been uneventful here too, until last night when we received 6 inches of wet snow and freezing rain.  I don't like these ice storms.  We never, ever had them until the climate change of the last several years.  Happy to get the precipitation, though.  So now ya'll will have to suffer through some more winter pics...

Glad to hear no damage there.. luckily no ice storms here (ever, that I know of).. we've had freezing rain forecast a few times this year and didn't get it, but even if we do, its generally just enough to make highways slick.. who knows what further climate change will bring, though?

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 11:36pm

It's been a soggy end to summer here - 4 inches of rain in 3 days.
The image of the day for me is this clump of Rhodophiala bifida just having "popped out" of the ground yesterday!

cheers
fermi

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 3:37am

Fermi, that's amazing plant.  We were in Patagonia in January and seeing the rhodophiala in bloom was one of the many highlights of the trip.

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Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:57am

Fermi, I guess its good to have the rain as long as no damage/flooding..
Great to have such nice things 'popping'!

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 3:28pm
Fermi wrote:

It's been a soggy end to summer here - 4 inches of rain in 3 days.
The image of the day for me is this clump of Rhodophiala bifida just having "popped out" of the ground yesterday!
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cheers
fermi

I just ordered some seeds of this on the surplus distribution!  :D Does anyone know of any tricks or tips to germination?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 8:12pm
McDonough wrote:

Wow, look at all those buds :o.  Please show up again when more flowers are open.

Mark,
when I got home in the evening a lot more had openned - so this pic was taken about 10 hours after the first!

Amy,
I got some seed from Santo in Argentina and sowed them at the end of spring and they started to germinate fairly quickly - but it was definitely frost-free by then! I sowed the seeds on top of a pot of well-drained potting-mix and then covered with coarse grit/fine gravel
See reply #26 here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6490.15

cheers
fermi

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 1:23am
RickR wrote:

Winter has been uneventful here too, until last night when we received 6 inches of wet snow and freezing rain.  I don't like these ice storms.  We never, ever had them until the climate change of the last several years.  Happy to get the precipitation, though.  So now ya'll will have to suffer through some more winter pics...
         

Well Rick, I don't suffer as long as it isn't my garden ;)

AmyO wrote:

I just ordered some seeds of this on the surplus distribution!  :D Does anyone know of any tricks or tips to germination?

Amy, I ordered seed from Chileflora and sowed right away. They germinated without any special treatment.

Fermi wrote:

It's been a soggy end to summer here - 4 inches of rain in 3 days.
The image of the day for me is this clump of Rhodophiala bifida just having "popped out" of the ground yesterday!
cheers
fermi

Fermi, I wish I had such clumps just popping out somewhere in my garden!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 4:38am

Fermi wrote:

Amy,
I got some seed from Santo in Argentina and sowed them at the end of spring and they started to germinate fairly quickly - but it was definitely frost-free by then! I sowed the seeds on top of a pot of well-drained potting-mix and then covered with coarse grit/fine gravel
See reply #26 here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6490.15

cheers
fermi

Fantastic! thanks Fermi & Trond! And that is the exact way I sow all my seed with turkey grit on top....starting them at room temp. If no germination in a few weeks out to the screen porch they go!
We just got 6" of fluffy new snow and temps in the 20'sf. But tomorrow it's meant to go into the 40's so it won't last. YAY!! I'm done with snow for this year!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 1:28pm

Heavy rain and strong wind brought down the top of the Cryptomeria Sciadopitys  :-[  the other day! In the shade of the trees the Corydalis solida is starting flowering. Crocus in the lawn!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 6:35pm

Looks like you lost half of the Japanese Umbrella pine (Sciadopitys verticillata).  That is even worse!!  :'( 

Sciadopitys may or may not be easy to root from cuttings (it depends on the clone), but you have lots of material to work with!  Why not give it a try?  Best time to take cuttings in zone 6-7: Feb-March and July-August.  3000ppm IBA.  There is a negative correlation between resin exudate and rooting success.  So, soak the base of the cuttings in water for 24-48 hours to remove most of it.  The highest rooting percentages corresponds with the lowest internal levels of resin. (Dirr and Heuser, Jr. - The Reference Manual of Woody Plant Propagation).

Your snowdrops are bigger than your crocus!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 6:45pm
Hoy wrote:

Heavy rain and strong wind brought down the top of the Cryptomeria the other day! In the shade of the trees the Corydalis solida is starting flowering. Crocus in the lawn!

How heartbreaking for you Trond! Lori is right!! Give cuttings a try!

Your sweeps of crocus and snowdrops are gorgeous! I should be seeing something like that I hope tomorrow when I head down to Massachusetts for a NARGS meeting at the Berkshire Botanic Gardens. Taking the camera!  ;)

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 10:59pm
RickR wrote:

Looks like you lost half of the Japanese Umbrella pine (Sciadopitys verticillata).  That is even worse!!  :'( 

Sciadopitys may or may not be easy to root from cuttings (it depends on the clone), but you have lots of material to work with!  Why not give it a try?  Best time to take cuttings in zone 6-7: Feb-March and July-August.  3000ppm IBA.  There is a negative correlation between resin exudate and rooting success.  So, soak the base of the cuttings in water for 24-48 hours to remove most of it.  The highest rooting percentages corresponds with the lowest internal levels of resin. (Dirr and Heuser, Jr. - The Reference Manual of Woody Plant Propagation).

Your snowdrops are bigger than your crocus!

Rick, I have 3 or 4 of those umbrella pines (of course! Not a Cryptomeria; I know that :-[ :-[)  but i'll try to root some cuttings for fun. They are rather nice trees and easy growers here.
And Rick, you mean my crocuses are smaller than my snowdrops! Some actually are - I have a few rather bigflowered snowdrops and the young C tommasinianus (first flowers on seedlings) have rather small flowers.

AmyO wrote:

How heartbreaking for you Trond! Lori is right!! Give cuttings a try!

Your sweeps of crocus and snowdrops are gorgeous! I should be seeing something like that I hope tomorrow when I head down to Massachusetts for a NARGS meeting at the Berkshire Botanic Gardens. Taking the camera!  ;)

Amy, unfortunately my camera lens is broken so the pictures I get are bad.
Regarding the lost top of the tree it is both bad and good. The good thing is it threw a lot of shade - and now we are getting more sun for some years ;)

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 1:31am

Even though I am situated smack dab in the middle of a Megalopolis of nearly 4 million people (the greater Front Range Denver metroplex) I have had deer in my yard most nights for most of the last year...their little pellets are annoyingly in my gravel paths rather than on the garden where they might to better, and my tulips and even crocuses are being nibbled as they emerge: NOT amusing! But so far the iris have been doing OK...I had to post I. winogradowii, which has bloomed for me the very first time: hope it persists!

Sat, 03/03/2012 - 9:00am

I have Iris winogradowii seed, from this year's NARGS seed ex, stratifying right now.  I hope they do well.  Yours, PK, is what I am hoping for in the future.  A most excellently grown plant!

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Sat, 03/03/2012 - 10:43am

Saw a pot of this iris today at the Early Spring AGS Show at Harlow - really a most exquisite plant! A lot of other nice things were on show too including the deep red Anemone biflora, really stunning, this I must try, and perhaps the most beautiful of all, Trillium nivale.

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Sat, 03/03/2012 - 6:45pm

Love that Iris, Panayoti!
Trond, congrats on more sun  ;D I wish some trees would lose their tops here, but not those closest to the house!

Hope all members in the U.S. are making out okay with all those tornadoes, and Australians are not flooded, and Norwegians aren't blowing away, etc etc! Some more snow here, -22C yesterday morning, today +6C or more, back down then up again, etc etc..

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 8:17am

Panayoti - I'm afraid I can only give you a quick Victorian peep-show! My wife was in charge of the camera and she has a will of her own, but here are a few highlights from the Show:-

Primula 'Arduaine'
Hyacinthella dalmatica
Galanthus 'E. A. Bowles'
Corydalis darwasica
Trillium nivale

The primula I think is quite exquisite and very beautifully presented - I only wish we could grow such things in our dry garden in Kent. There were several hyacinthellas on show, mostly understated but very nice bulbs; this one was the most striking and a glorious soft-blue in colour. Very nice, and it ought to grow for us well. The galanthus is a famous new variety which until recently held the record for price on ebay (I think around £350!) and is very different; a poculiform plicatus (that is the inner tepals have become modified to appear like the outers and lack any green marking). The eponymous E. A. Bowles would have approved. The corydalis, well just moorish! Really great foliage and good habit compared with many species, and that is saying a lot in such a fine genus. And finally Trillium nivale, and there is something about this plant which simply takes the breath away - a beauty amongst beauties.

If you would like a little more then the Kent Show is coming up in a couple of weeks, and also Jon Evans regularly posts much more comprehensive photographic reviews of the Shows on the AGS website, along with commentary. We are extraordinarily lucky to see so many great plants brought together in one place, and there are so many gardeners who just don't know what they are missing!

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 11:11am
Kelaidis wrote:

Pix, Tim! We want pix from those amazing British shows...the ultimate Plant porn (albeit soft core)...

Hi Panayoti,
I must say that in the past I have posted a number of images of AGS/SRGC show plants on this forum (usually in the 'Image of the Day' section) and have been slightly underwhelmed by the reaction from some fellow members. It appears that some NARGS members are suspicious that the majority of our show plants are cosseted under glass and are, in some way, less worthy of respect because of this?
I usually post a lot of show images on the SRGC forum and would be very happy to post them here as well if I felt they were welcomed.

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 12:45pm

Tim, your wife has an excellent taste!!!
I heard she also liked the tufagardens at the entrance. ;D

Lina.

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 3:03pm
Booker wrote:

Hi Panayoti,
I must say that in the past I have posted a number of images of AGS/SRGC show plants on this forum (usually in the 'Image of the Day' section) and have been slightly underwhelmed by the reaction from some fellow members. It appears that some NARGS members are suspicious that the majority of our show plants are cosseted under glass and are, in some way, less worthy of respect because of this?
I usually post a lot of show images on the SRGC forum and would be very happy to post them here as well if I felt they were welcomed.

Some of the reaction... or any perceived lack thereof?... is probably speechlessness, pure shock and awe at seeing plants grown to stunning levels of perfection!  :o  :o   Shows have not had the prominent place in North American gardening that they have had in the UK, so any photos you can share will be a fascinating insight into a long-standing and traditional gardening culture.  I'm sure all of us feel a bit of disappointment now and then when one's posting seems to draw an "underwhelming" response.  (I myself am frequently reduced to tears and thoughts of paving it all over...   ;) ;D))  As on any forum, only a tiny fraction of participants actually post, while at the same time, there is a great body of people out there who enjoy it all in silence!   Please bring 'em on, Cliff!  

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 4:25pm

All very beautiful, Tim! I must comment (only slightly tongue in cheek ;) that Galanthus afficianados do seem to have their own standard for 'very different' ;)

Cliff, I will second Lori's comments-- I have also wondered at times if its worth making lengthy postings, based on small number of comments on occasion, but the number of views tends to be much higher than number of comments, so it seems someone finds them worth looking at! To Lori's accurate assessment that there are a small percentage of actively posting members, I will add the guess that regular posters a) sometimes miss a post among the many new ones (certainly true for me  ;D and b)sometimes don't comment when they don't have more to say than 'Wow!' one more time  ;D
Those shows must be quite a delight to attend- the only plant shows I've been to were Cactus and Succulent club shows in Toronto- where the active membership was small indeed, and Orchid Society shows in Edmonton years ago, and both of those were always a great treat.... nothing close enough to be practical now.. I suppose there could be something in Red Deer (nearest city, smallish), but I'd guess if there were it would be hybrid lilies or irises or something...

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 4:35pm

As I mentioned in the weather thread, spring seems to be on the way, demonstrated by wetter, heavier snow than typical in winter here!
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=930.msg15622#msg15622

A couple of views from last night.. second has Tilia cordata in the centre, my favourite of our very few exotic trees... still quite small (15-20feet), hoping it stays that way, unsure of its ultimate size here..

 

A mascot for our driveway.. we don't usually have the right sort of snow for snowmen....

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 5:52pm

Cohan, in the face of yet another impending snowfall, I choose to live in climate denial, and will instead post late-April photos of Pulsatilla campanella as my Photo of the Day offering!  :D :D

 

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 7:02pm

Ya know, I don't even remember ever making a snowman...
We were much too busy building snow forts, sliding trails and sliding and having snowball fights.  ;D  When I was growing up, our 4 acre lot had the best sledding hills in the neighborhood. 8)  We were snow fun central!

But the kid in us all never dies.  I am almost 53 now, and if the snow was right, I'd be out there building an igloo again.  (The last time was about 8 years ago.)

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 7:46pm

Lori- your comment made me go check the forecast- Rocky Mtn House (20miles west) has a snowfall warning (I have to say, the amount of snow that warrants a warning in Alberta makes me laugh every time...) 2-4 cm tonight, 5-10cm tomorrow, 2cm tomorrow night.... Red Deer's (40miles east) forecast has less snow, so we'll see what we get out of it.... figures tomorrow would be a day we have to be on the road earlier than usual ( we work in the afternoon) to go to town before work....

I spent many years fretting about weather..-- and moving back here from Toronto, it wasn't for the weather (apart from a usually sunnier winter!) so I don't even worry about it anymore-- talk about it a lot, but not worry about it!! lol

Rick- it will be interesting to see what the additional snowfall will do to our snowman, his engineering may not be that sound...lol

Sun, 03/04/2012 - 9:03pm
Booker wrote:

I must say that in the past I have posted a number of images of AGS/SRGC show plants on this forum (usually in the 'Image of the Day' section) and have been slightly underwhelmed by the reaction from some fellow members. It appears that some NARGS members are suspicious that the majority of our show plants are cosseted under glass and are, in some way, less worthy of respect because of this?

There is no denying that the American Rock gardening culture in general is different than the European "style".  And yes, I would say that in comparison to rock gardeners across the pond, interest in show plants is much less of a focus in America.  But as evidenced by PK’s comment, we’re not all shaped from the same cookie cutter, just as the aforementioned European "style" does not accurately label all European rock gardeners.  Add to that the fact that the NARGS forum traffic is around one-fifteenth that of the SRGC forum, and with even less regular contributors. I think it is difficult (to say the least) to judge a post’s “worthiness” by the number of replies it generates here, compared to the SRGC forum.

As for myself, I tend not to post unless I have something to say beyond the goes without saying “beautiful”, “fantastic” and “awesome”.    I guess I should fix that. 

I am a little confused because I do think that the majority of European show plants (at least the excellent ones shown on the forums) are grown under glass.  (Please correct me if I am wrong!)  But I have never thought them unworthy.  It is true that there are less responses on this forum.  Interpolating from this that a post is unwelcome is an embarrassment on our part here. :-[

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Sun, 03/04/2012 - 9:57pm

I think Cliff is right in thinking that one sometimes gets the impression that to some gardeners, growing under glass is 'cheating'.. I guess this comes from the idea that its 'easier' though whether or not that's true  I think depends on what you are growing, and what your climate is like! I think I might have a slightly different view on under glass vs in the open gardening, since much of my gardening life has only been indoors, and in the world of cacti and succulent growers-- for many of whom, the ideal is greenhouse growing (and make no mistake, that priority is no less real in North America than in Europe! friends growing cacti and succulents in Florida and California have greenhouses, shade houses in AZ, farther north greenhouses if you can afford them, or summering outdoors, wintering indoors, under lights, etc etc), and outside ideal climates, outdoor collections will be much more limited.. So,  for me, the ideal way to grow plants is - wherever you are able to do so successfully! On your windowsills or basement under lights, your patio or highrise balcony, greenhouse, alpine house, in the ground, etc

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Mon, 03/05/2012 - 1:06am

Cohan - your point about snowdrops is well taken! I think the great thing in the UK is our climate which allows us to get out and see each others gardens through the winter, and there is no better excuse than snowdrops! (But they do get taken to an extreme, and of course have a 'value').

I have loved the Shows since I first joined the AGS over 30 years ago, but I have never really participated that much, I have always been more interested in gardening with alpines and propagating them on the nursery. I think the Shows have led to a tendency for fewer gardeners to really garden with alpines here, and that is one reason I like the NARGS Forum so much. But who can resist a beautiful plant in a pot? It is like a beautiful woman! (or am I not allowed to say that?).

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 2:07am
Tim wrote:

... But who can resist a beautiful plant in a pot? It is like a beautiful woman! (or am I not allowed to say that?).

Well Tim, you've certainly taken Adonis out of the equation!!!  :D :D

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 5:01am
Lori wrote:

Cohan, in the face of yet another impending snowfall, I choose to live in climate denial, and will instead post late-April photos of Pulsatilla campanella as my Photo of the Day offering!  :D :D

Lori...I'm so glad you posted the Pulsatilla campanella photos as I planted a couple seedlings out into my teeny rock garden last year. I so love the look of this one and the nice blue color of it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed it made it through this wierd winter!  ???

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Mon, 03/05/2012 - 10:59am
Tim wrote:

Cohan - your point about snowdrops is well taken! I think the great thing in the UK is our climate which allows us to get out and see each others gardens through the winter, and there is no better excuse than snowdrops! (But they do get taken to an extreme, and of course have a 'value').

I was partly teasing about the snowdrops-- even could see there was something different about the one you posted, and I do know that if you look at any group of plants that have some variability, you get to see and enjoy small differences, and a collection of similar but slightly varied plants can be great fun-- I have quite a number of Haworthia (tender South African succulent) in species coarctata/reinwardtii/attentuata etc which can be very similar apart from some small differences in the number and arrangement of leaves, and markings, and quite enjoy those subtleties  ;D (some people are naming them all as different species based on those minor variations......) :-X

Mon, 03/05/2012 - 5:58pm

While we are still on the subject, sort of, regarding gauging popularity by number of responses: I'd like to also point out it's ineptness with respect to number of photo views, compared to the SRGC forum.  

Note that the NARGS thumbnails are larger than SRGC's.  It's not a trick with the dark background of the forum.  The thumbnails are more detailed already, and a viewer isn't so "forced" to click on the pic to expand the view.  I have to say that I have enlarged many of the smaller SRGC thumbnails, only to find that the real photo is not what I thought it was in the thumbnail!  I can't say that has ever happened with the larger NARGS thumbnails.

Consider also that the USA is not very well connect to the web compare to most other developed countries.  Oodles of rural communities have no other way to connect but by slow dial up service and the land line telephone.  I am sure we all remember being on a slow web connection at some time, and forgoing opening pages or photos because it just takes too long.  I suspect that this contributed to the decision by the NARGS forum administrators to make the thumbnails larger: so that forumists are not compelled to enlarge the photo to see some detail.  

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Mon, 03/05/2012 - 9:33pm

On the last point- I think Canada has pretty good rates of internet connectedness, and I think even in many small towns high speed internet is available-- Alberta has wireless available even in many rural areas.. however, none of that does me any good, since we have too many trees around for satellite or wireless connection!... So my options (short of building/installing a tower) are only dial-up, or what I now use, mobile internet- basically dial-up on cell networks... fast at times, but very spotty other times, and I pay by the amount of data sent/received... I only enlarge photos on a good day...lol

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 7:59am
cohan wrote:

On the last point- I think Canada has pretty good rates of internet connectedness, and I think even in many small towns high speed internet is available-- Alberta has wireless available even in many rural areas.. however, none of that does me any good, since we have too many trees around for satellite or wireless connection!... So my options (short of building/installing a tower) are only dial-up, or what I now use, mobile internet- basically dial-up on cell networks... fast at times, but very spotty other times, and I pay by the amount of data sent/received... I only enlarge photos on a good day...lol

Cohan, that's what I do when I am at my cabin or summerhouse! There I connect via my mobilephone which can be a slow experience at times ;) At home I have fiberoptic connection (although I live in a rural part of the country) -  almost limitless speed . . . .  if I want to pay for it ;D Now I have 25Mb per second (up- and download) Internet and TV and phone simultaneously.

Cliff, I look at and enjoy your and others pictures from the show bench although I don't comment always. Show plants belong to another world - more like art than gardening but that doesn't mean I don't appreciatethe pictures. It's more that I get speechless :o

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 1:59pm

Many interesting Posts.  I first "met" Cliff Booker because of the wonderful pictures he was posting on the Scottish Forum of show plants.  Definitely a lurker, his picture of Ranunculus seguieri demanded a response.  I learned he was a very good friend of Alan Grainger, with whom I was corresponding and then met both of them for the first time in the Dolomites.  I admired Cliff's Show pictures long before I said so in print, which is probably true of many of us.
As far as greenhouse plants being "inferior" or "cheating" in any way - far from it.  My plants are garden-grown out of necessity, which in my climate is a definite limitation.  I would love an alpine house or "glass house" in which to try and grow plants I could never grow outside.  I say "try" because growing under glass is a skill set I don't possess.  I've seen Patagonian plants  grown in english greenhouses and was awestruck by their perfection.  Since many of these plants have only a passing contact with ground frost in nature, it's doubtful they could ever be found in my garden.  Probably though, if you were able to take a tour of long ago Plant Shows, you would discover that many of the plants shown in them have made their way into people's gardens.  Wasn't there a time when Lewisias were considered rare and considered to be very "difficult" to grow ?  That's probably true of many other plants which first came to people's attention as exhibits in a Plant Show and have now become part of many rock gardens.  True, we don't have many Plant Shows in my part of the country but I know very few people who have an alpine/greenhouse, and that seems to be cause and effect to a great extent.  I admire a well-grown plant (especially in the Fabaceae), no matter where or how it was grown, and truly love to see pictures of them.

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Tue, 03/06/2012 - 2:13pm
Hoy wrote:

. So my options (short of building/installing a tower) are only dial-up, or what I now use, mobile internet- basically dial-up on cell networks... fast at times, but very spotty other times, and I pay by the amount of data sent/received... I only enlarge photos on a good day...lo
Cohan, that's what I do when I am at my cabin or summerhouse! There I connect via my mobilephone which can be a slow experience at times ;) At home I have fiberoptic connection (although I live in a rural part of the country) -  almost limitless speed . . . .  if I want to pay for it ;D Now I have 25Mb per second (up- and download) Internet and TV and phone simultaneously.

Its not actually using a mobile phone, its a special 'stick' which goes in USB port of computer/laptop for internet connection, and uses cell/smart phone networks to connect.. it can be fast at times, but if there is a lot of usage by other people (on their phones, presumably) , or some kinds of bad weather than it can be slow or even impossible to connect..

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 1:46am

Many thanks Anne,
A counterpoint to your very reasoned argument in favour of alpine houses/glass is that anyone fortunate enough to own a garden as beautiful and satisfying as yours wouldn't actually want an alpine house at all unless it could, in some way, be integrated naturally into the rockwork, the landscape, the very fabric of your garden.  Anything else would be a travesty in such glorious surroundings.

Apologies if this sounds like a mutual appreciation society ... but you haven't had the pleasure of strolling through Anne's domain!  :D

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Wed, 03/07/2012 - 3:51am

Cliff. Anne - could I be right in saying that alpine houses tend to go well with smaller gardens; bigger gardens often take too much time already to make and maintain than to also have a wonderful collection of plants under glass, unless you happen to be Peter Korn! I bet though that when lots of gardeners walk round friend's gardens it is that 'bit round the back' where the propagating goes on and there are lots of plants in pots which has a real attraction. After seeing that longed for plant in the garden, it is the excitement of taking away a little piece in a pot. That's why I also love the alpine nurseries so much - they carry this to its logical conclusion.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 6:10am
Tim wrote:

Cliff. Anne - could I be right in saying that alpine houses tend to go well with smaller gardens; bigger gardens often take too much time already to make and maintain than to also have a wonderful collection of plants under glass, unless you happen to be Peter Korn! I bet though that when lots of gardeners walk round friend's gardens it is that 'bit round the back' where the propagating goes on and there are lots of plants in pots which has a real attraction. After seeing that longed for plant in the garden, it is the excitement of taking away a little piece in a pot. That's why I also love the alpine nurseries so much - they carry this to its logical conclusion.

I don't know if that's true, Tim.  It seems that an alpine house where you could do seeds and cuttings would be an asset in any size garden.  It certainly seems true of gardens I've seen in England that the smaller the garden, the fuller the alpine house - plants taking every suare inch of space above and below the benches and blooming in profusion.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:17am

Tim,
I agree I love seeing the "workings" often more than the "finished product"!
;D
An image I am always pleased to see is Cyclamen graecum in our rock garden - especially when it covers itself in flowers!
cheers
fermi

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Thu, 03/08/2012 - 4:08am

Something nice which has just finished blooming indoors for me is Ochna serrulata.  I gather this little woodie is rather scorned? in South Africa and Australia - almost a weed.  However, for me it is quite wonderful - both for its interesting yellow drop earring type flowers and the curious black and red seeds that follow.  It is small enough to plant outside in the rock garden in spring and then to repot in fall and bring indoors.  For me it is not very photogenic but it is a joy all year round.  And I believe it has flowered twice during the year.  Fran

Frances Howey
London, Ontario, Canada
Zone 5b

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Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:55pm

Fermi- brilliant!

Fran- I googled it- seems to have pretty flowers and fruit-- what conditions do you grow it in indoors? is it indoors all year? And how big is it?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 6:54pm

Lis, here here, well said :) 

After 14" (35 cm) of snow last week (March 1-2), the first snow of our 2011-2012 winter, the precocious blooms of Colchicum kesselringii looked totally squashed when the snow and ice receded on the warm south side of my house where these are planted.  But today, with temperatures breaking an all time record for this date (3/8/2012) reaching 69 F (21 C), the flowers lifted up rejuvinated by unusual warmth.  The strikingly striped blooms have a light honey-like fragrance. 

I was sent bulbs of this fine miniature spring Colchicum, in two forms, from a friend in Seattle a couple years back.  I'm so pleased to have a bulb species that vies for "first bulb of late winter or early spring", blooming with snowdrops and proving resilient in adverse weather conditions.

No need to "wow" this message ;)

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