Seed starting chronicles 2013

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Longma
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A few Lilium sp. here ( names are revealed by placing cursor over the picture, or they are displayed at the bottom of the picture when enlarged ). 

Sown over a year ago and kept moist for the first couple of months. When nothing developed I let them dry out entirely, convinced that the seed was not viable. A good soaking this year and the results are OK.

Lilium bakerianum delavayi
Lilium lophophorum var. linearifolium
Lilium mackliniae

53.69° N, Dedicated to West Coast Fritillaria, plus three other members of the subgenus Liliorhiza. I grow other Genera, as time permits !

RickR
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Ron, to get the names to show as you want when you hover over the pic and when you click to view, you need to enter the name in the "Title" box, rather than the "Alternate text" box.  But if you don't put the name in the text of the message, please also put it in the "Alternative text" box, too, so it can be searchable (when the search engine is fixed).

 

I changed it for you.  You can see what I did by clicking the "edit" button at the bottom of your post.

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Longma
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Understood. Thanks Rick. 

53.69° N, Dedicated to West Coast Fritillaria, plus three other members of the subgenus Liliorhiza. I grow other Genera, as time permits !

RickR
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Forgot to comment on your really good results.....

I've almost no luck with Lilium lophophorum seed, with only one coming up in the second year.  And like Gene, I only get one to three mackliniae germinating per season.  I would have thought drying out the seed after it imbibed water would mean sure death.  Do you think the pots really got that dry?

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Longma
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RickR wrote:

  I would have thought drying out the seed after it imbibed water would mean sure death.  Do you thing the pots really got that dry?

To be honest, so did I Rick, but I was wrong. The pots were absolutely powder dry, under the greenhouse bench in light shade, not watered for 10 months. The same has happened for Lilium sempervivoideum sown at the same time as the others. Just showing some green through the surface today! These pots became absolutely soaked ( as much as the very gritty compost I use can be soaked ), almost by accident, and have continued very moist.

Thinking as I type, this is the exact same pattern I experience with seed of Fritillaria dagana, which shows in the second year, after a wet / dry / wet regime, although they show and grow earlier in the year.

53.69° N, Dedicated to West Coast Fritillaria, plus three other members of the subgenus Liliorhiza. I grow other Genera, as time permits !

RickR
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That's really enlightening. 

 

Wonders never cease!

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

cohan
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A very pleasant surprise today: I received some Salix seed from Trond some days back, S myrsinites, S polaris and S glauca. From what I could find, S myrsinites was likely to be a no go, since one page mentioned viability of less than 24 hours. S polaris had a mention of viability after longer storage-at least I think that was polaris..lol (though no description of what kind of storage), so I had a bit more hope for those, and they had reported high germination at warm. S glauca is supposed to need cold stratification, so i presumed those should still be viable.I don't know exactly when Trond collected the seed, but it had to get mailed, arrive here, and then took me a few days to get to them- so best case scenario they must have been a week or two old.

I sowed them somewhere around midnight Oct 05/ early 06. All were sown in mostly pure coir with a bit of native black wetland soil mixed in the top.Seeds spread around on the surface and sprayed generously with water to make them contact the soil. No covering. S myrsinites and S polaris were left indoors at coolish room temperature, in a tray of water, S glauca was put outside (though I will probably do another pot and leave them indoors in a cool spot).

To my great surprise, when I checked them this evening, there was germination beginning on S myrsinites! So much for less than 24hrs viability! A little later, after I sprayed the pots again, I noticed the beginning of germination also on S polaris! By this time, the S myrsinites seedlings which had just been little white nubs were actually showing green- those babies are fast!

Now to see if I can actually keep these things alive indoors all winter...

I also sowed Lysichiton americanus at the same time- with conflicting suggestions online -cool? warm? outdoors? I put one pot outdoors, and have two indoors which I will probably put in different spots.. maybe cool and colder? any thoughts welcome..

 

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

RickR
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That's very useful information, Cohan.  I hope Trond can give some more insight to the true age of the seeds.

 

My only experience with willow seed is with my own seed of Salix repens.  I may have had another variety of S. repens (and a male) or else maybe it could have crossed with one of the other species I have.  At any rate, I planted the seed the same day the catkin dehisced.  Seed sprouted quickly, too, 4-6 days, I think.  But I didn't get them to continue for very long.

 

Good luck!

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

cohan
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They are still alive- myrsinites came up in quite large numbes, S polaris much less so, but there are a few- enough for me if they actually survive till spring, still a long way to go....

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

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