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Boland
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Trond, Cliff's image are the real speciosum...typically rich purple-pink.  Yours is probably some hybrid...and there are many only subtly different.

Here is Colchicum Jarka...another Ruksans purchase.  The slugs did some damage but typically the petals are tipped white.  The second is Crocus nudiflorus.  I expect your C. niveus are actually C. speciosus since niveus is suppose to be white-flowered.

Todd Boland
St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
Zone 5b
1800 mm precipitation per year

Mark McD
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Todd wrote:

Trond, Cliff's image are the real speciosum...typically rich purple-pink.  Yours is probably some hybrid...and there are many only subtly different.

Here is Colchicum Jarka...another Ruksans purchase.  The slugs did some damage but typically the petals are tipped white.  The second is Crocus nudiflorus.  I expect your C. niveus are actually C. speciosus since niveus is suppose to be white-flowered.

I checked Janis Ruksan's 2010 bulb catalog, and he does indeed list Crocus niveus BLUE form, which is a surprise to me, as I've only known the pure white and pink-flushed forms of niveus.  Janis writes that the flowers are a light blue lilac, with the golden throat of niveus.  Upon seeing Trond's plants I immediately thought I was seeing C. speciosus, as you pointed out.  Trond, any possibility of a label mixup, because those darker blue veined flowers look just like C. speciosus, they lack the deep egg-yolk yellow center and base of niveus, the color very apparent from the outside of the flower as well.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
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Hoy
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McDonough wrote:

I checked Janis Ruksan's 2010 bulb catalog, and he does indeed list Crocus niveus BLUE form, which is a surprise to me, as I've only known the pure white and pink-flushed forms of niveus.  Janis writes that the flowers are a light blue lilac, with the golden throat of niveus.  Upon seeing Trond's plants I immediately thought I was seeing C. speciosus, as you pointed out.  Trond, any possibility of a label mixup, because those darker blue veined flowers look just like C. speciosus, they lack the deep egg-yolk yellow center and base of niveus, the color very apparent from the outside of the flower as well.

You are certainly right as usual, Mark, except  that I have no labels to mix! I assumed it was niveus as the only crocus described as blue that I've purchased is the niveus form.
I can't remember planting any speciosus and I thought they were not that blue color anyway!

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

Hoy
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Todd wrote:

Trond, Cliff's image are the real speciosum...typically rich purple-pink.  Yours is probably some hybrid...and there are many only subtly different.

Here at least two unnamed forms of Colchicum are in "everybody's" garden. They grow and spread well and are often divided and given away so "some hybrid" is good enough!

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

Boland
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Looking more carefully at your mystery Colchicum I am of the opinion that one is actually 'The Giant'.  They certainly look like the inside of mine.  That one is among the most popular around here too.

Todd Boland
St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
Zone 5b
1800 mm precipitation per year

Mark McD
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I did some research on the blue color forms of Crocus niveus, hoping to find some photos, including the blue one Janis Ruksans sells.  I found pics and discussion on SRGC Forum of three different blue forms of C. niveus (beautiful things they are), including Janis Ruksans' form from Peloponnesus, Greece.

Crocus niveus blue form or Crocus niveus bicolour
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2639.0;attach...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2639.0;attach...
Discussion:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2639.msg63096#msg63096

more images
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=855.msg21413#msg21413

Janis Ruksans dark form of Crocus niveus from Peloponnesus, Greece (the one he sells in his catalog)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2725.0;attach...

Other croci Janis photographed in Peloponnesus
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2725.msg63092#msg63092

Another light blue C. niveus:
(Crocus niveus in the Mani Peninsula, southern Peloponnesenear near its upper altitudinal limit)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82.0;attach=9...
Discussion:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=82.msg930#msg930

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Hoy
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Thanks, Mark. It is obvious that niveus is completely different from mine!

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

Boland
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Four record breaking warm days have made the Coclchicums bloom like crazy.  Waterlily has never been open so early...usually its almost November and it is always the last to bloom...not this year!  I am still waiting for the double autumnale alba and speciosum album to bloom.  Pictured here are Colchicum agrippinum, Colchicum byzantinum, Colchicum The Giant, Colchicum Waterlily and Crocus nudiflorus.

Todd Boland
St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
Zone 5b
1800 mm precipitation per year

Hoy
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Very nice, Todd. You will still have some warm days to enjoy the blooming but we will have heavy rain and strong wind the next few days. It is the remnants of Igor. I am afraid that my Colchicums ans Croci will be flattened.

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

Mark McD
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Nice display Todd, C. nudiflorus is one that I must try sometime... most attractive.

Here are a a couple autumn crocus that appeared and bloomed over the past 2 gorgeous autumn days:

1    C. sativus - lots more buds coming, this is the earliest it has ever flowered.  The scent is wonderful (at close range).
2-3  C. asumaniae - bunching up nicely, sweetly scented.  Second photo with pollen-laden bee.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

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