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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2012, 08:47:10 PM »
Here is first bloom on an Allium sp. #215 from Kazakhstan from Panayoti Kelaidis' 2010 collecting expedition; looks like Allium kurssanovii to me.  I once grew A. kurssanovii from a known source, and it was much like A. saxatile, but had smaller flowers in a compact head, and bulbs very close to the surface, with enlarged bulb bases, with leaves that smelled badly when bruised or picked, rather skunky like Nectaroscordum.  This Allium sp. #215 from Kazakhstan has similar characteristics.

Allium sp. #215 from Kazakhstan, aff. A. kurssanovii:




Enlarged bulb bases:



And as a parting shot, here is Allium caeruleum, the excellent form from Denver Botanic Garden... I wish it was more amenable to cultivation, I haven't yet found a spot where it will produce more than a single stem here and there.  
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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2012, 01:56:41 AM »
Quote from: McDonough on June 23, 2012, 08:47:10 PM

And as a parting shot, here is Allium caeruleum, the excellent form from Denver Botanic Garden... I wish it was more amenable to cultivation, I haven't yet found a spot where it will produce more than a single stem here and there.  


Did you try it to grow from seed ??
a friend of me grows Allium caeruleum for the commerce
but it has still now and then a few bulblets in the flower-head

most clones in the trade here have a lot of bulblets in the flower-head  Sad

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2012, 07:25:29 AM »
Quote from: bulborum on June 24, 2012, 01:56:41 AM

Did you try it to grow from seed ??
a friend of me grows Allium caeruleum for the commerce
but it has still now and then a few bulblets in the flower-head

most clones in the trade here have a lot of bulblets in the flower-head  Sad

Roland

This an extra fine form of Allium caeruleum that doesn't make any bulbils in the flower head, it is taller growing, with larger heads, and a bright blue color versus the darker blue color of those typically in commerce.  It makes myriad little bulblets at the base of the stalks and around the mother bulb; I have gathered these and replanted them, but they are very slow to increase in size, and only the very largest bulbs will flower.  I wish it would grow more easily, to create a scene similar to the one at Denver Botanic Garden, see gthe photos in this link from 2010.
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=177.msg1254#msg1254
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2012, 07:43:03 AM »
Fantastic

maybe one day you have some bulblets to swap
I understand that this one is self-sterile Huh?

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2012, 08:24:35 AM »
I received this as Allium karelinii (SRGC seed from 2007).

From FOC: Leaves, leaf sheaths, and scape scabrous-denticulate along angles. Fl. Aug.
Meadows, along streams; 2000--2500 m. Xinjiang (Altay Shan, Tarbagatay Shan, Tian Shan) [Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Russia].

It  doesn't feel obviously rough. Suggestions?
 

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2012, 08:42:32 AM »
If the stems are not scabrid, and obviously so when running one's fingers along the stems, then what you have is Allium schoenoprasum  Sad

Basically, A. karelinii is the scabrous phase of A. schoenoprasum (syn. Allium schoenoprasum var. scaberrimum Regel), but it is an accepted species these days.
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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2012, 09:03:30 AM »
Mark

Do you know people with nice Allium cernuum selections
I have later in the year seeds from white and soft pink ones
I collected three different colours at Head smashed in buffalo jump (Canada)

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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2012, 11:30:12 AM »
Oh joy, thanks Mark!

Anyway, it looks different to any of my other schoenoprasums and I reckon they are underrated as in the attached bouquet I took a few days ago (judging by the reactions I got when I posted this picture on FB a few days ago)!

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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2012, 08:12:49 PM »
Quote from: Stephenb on July 09, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
Oh joy, thanks Mark!

Anyway, it looks different to any of my other schoenoprasums and I reckon they are underrated as in the attached bouquet I took a few days ago (judging by the reactions I got when I posted this picture on FB a few days ago)!

Stephen, that bouquet looks good enough to eat  Wink

In case anyone in wondering about the strange place name Roland mentioned, this link descibes the place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-Smashed-In_Buffalo_Jump
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2012, 02:38:06 AM »
Stephen

I didn't know there where so many colours selected
I have only the normal , white and he Forescate form
Nice selection
What is FB Huh?

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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2012, 05:44:35 AM »
FB = Facebook
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« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2012, 06:14:52 AM »
Thanks Mark

to simple to think of

Stephen

Do you have a link to your FB  Grin site ??

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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2012, 03:28:23 AM »
Roland: It's www.facebook.com/stephen.barstow.7
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2012, 11:36:43 PM »
Catching up with a few alliums...
Allium ovalifolium v. ovalifolium:
   

Allium nutans - still not yet in bloom:
 

Allium ostrowskianum and A. moly:
 

Allium obliquum; Allium giganteum(?):
 

I got lazy with the records one year and failed to note this one on the map... but I think I've come to the right place for an ID... Wink


Allium cernuum and Dianthus fragrans:
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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2012, 02:14:13 AM »
Hello Lori

Your Allium giganteum is sure wrong labelled
Here a picture from the real one
see the different shape of the petals

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