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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2011, 02:23:30 PM »
WOW WHAT A NICE DARK COLOUR

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »
They're all beautiful! Wow!
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2011, 05:36:59 PM »

Quite spectacular, Madgardener!  Now I am really excited. Grin

And somehow I had the idea that this species was an obscure one.
Certainly not, and rightly so!

So nice of you to make your debut on this forum with such beauty.
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2011, 06:59:09 PM »
Quote from: Madgardener on December 27, 2011, 02:01:43 PM
Last years seedlings flowered & produced dark, deep red, dark & light pink & even white seedlings.  Are these colour forms found in the wild?

Mike, those are healthy-looking, beautiful plants! I would love to see your white seedlings!
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2011, 10:04:58 PM »
Wow indeed Madgardener (Mike), the near-black flowers on some of your Trillium kurabayashii are truly outstanding, I have never seen such dark flowers on a Trillium (great foliage too).  Welcome to the forum, you've made quite a splash starting out with such delectable Trillium color forms.
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 10:14:23 PM »
Hello Mike,

Typical flower color of Trillium kurabayashii is a very dark-purple red (burgundy) Trillium kurabayashii forma kurabayashii.  Sometimes, flower color is so deep as to appear black and yours would definitely be considered black (absolutely gorgeous!). There is also Trillium kurabayashii forma luteum which is yellow.

If you have T. kurabayashii which are white, pink or other colors they are more likely to be Trillium chloropetalum or a hybrid.

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 05:06:38 AM »
Thanks for the wonderful comments.
A few close up shots of the flowers.
All the colour forms have the very dark plant as the seed parent.

Mike

* Trillium kurabayashii pale pink seedling.jpg (132.7 KB, 500x700 - viewed 42 times.)

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* Trillium kurabayashii seedlings.jpg (100.76 KB, 527x700 - viewed 35 times.)

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 05:17:27 AM »
What's happening in your garden

never seen this before
Lovely colours
By the time you have seeds from the pink ones
I am interested to swap

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 08:33:57 AM »

How easy do trilliums hybridize?

Mike, might your dark T. kurabayashii be crossing with a lighter flowering species,  resulting in an array of light colors?
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 09:51:28 AM »
Rick
I grow Trillium albidum, ovatum & rivale.  The seed of the plants in the photos was sown 6 - 7 years ago & at that time the only others I had at flowering size were rivale & ovatum.
I have friends who live about one mile away, ( Phil & Gwen Phillips)which is where my first seed came from and they also have had pink forms appear from seed from their own very dark form. Kurabayashii is the only trillium they grow.  Live material from the original seed parent has been seen by Carl Denton, (Phil & Gwen Phillips took material to him) & he confirmed the plant as T. kurabayashii.
Hope this is helpful.

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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 09:56:13 AM »

Thanks so much for the clarification, and putting that possibility to rest.

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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2011, 02:27:08 AM »
An extraordinary trillium, that's for sure! Wouldn't mind growing any of those colour forms in my garden!
Regarding the different colours, it is probably at least 2 genes controlling the amount of colour. Then you can have several colours in between the whitest and the darkest type.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2012, 12:25:06 PM »
A few years ago I dabbed kurabayashii pollen on albidum (only have one plant of that so I wasn't getting seed anyway)  and got good seed set and germination.  I'm still waiting for these guys to get big enough to bloom and see what I get.  I'm hoping for some nice pinks.  My suspicion is that kurabayashii, albidum and chloropetalum are all interfertile.  Who knows maybe they're really just one species-lumpers vs splitters anyone? Maybe those lovely pinks of Madgardener have some albidum lurking in their background.  Or maybe just a white form of kurabyashii.  Whatever they're quite exquisite. 

Amy, I'd be happy to send you seed of kurabayashii this summer assuming I get some.  Last year I had lousy seed set due to our wet spring but I still got enough to share. 

Now if anyone has ripe nivale seed this summer........

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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2012, 08:43:48 PM »
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Amy, I'd be happy to send you seed of kurabayashii this summer assuming I get some.  Last year I had lousy seed set due to our wet spring but I still got enough to share. 

Now if anyone has ripe nivale seed this summer........

Jan 
Jan I would LOVE some of your seed!   Grin Cheesy Grin I'll send you my address in a PM.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 02:22:37 AM »
Mike,

your Trilliums are wonderful! What a variety...love the intense pink one and of course the dark one (you're getting close to a black Trillium Wink)!
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