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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2011, 05:16:50 PM »

Well, that seems like a very extreme view, based on what I've seen, and on never having heard a similar complaint.  Huh?  
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2011, 05:36:53 PM »

 That's good, Lori, since I was kind of thinking about it--if I run across a cheap plant somewhere..lol
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2011, 10:02:56 PM »

Off topic but...
Cohan, if you ever have a reason to visit Calgary, you should let me know in advance... Having a mature perennial garden (that is in a constant state of flux due to needing more alpine beds!), I have many plants that I'd be happy to share!  I tend not to divide many things, but I have lots of seedlings, offsets, etc., often blooming-size plants, that I pot up to give away.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 01:20:59 AM »

Thanks, Lori, I'll let you know if we are going that way and my driver is amenable to a stop...lol
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 02:51:59 AM »

Re. Brunnera. With me this self-sows hugely and seems to grow as well in full sun as shade. Because I have so many seedlings I have decided to use it as ground cover under our rows of fruit trees - but we have a big garden of around 1 and 1/2 acres.

I neglected to say that Anthriscus sylvestris 'Ravenswing' was discovered and introduced by Prof. John Richards of Primula fame. If a nurseryman had found it they could have made a fortune!
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2011, 10:05:55 PM »

Well, live and learn!  Smiley

Here's Shoshonea pulvinata in a trough, wintered over from last year - a tiny thing at present.   I've only seen it in photos... I expect the flower stems will elongate, unless this is some particularly dwarfish form??   I got it from Beaver Creek, at last year's CRAGS spring plant sale.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2011, 11:50:44 PM »

Well, live and learn!  Smiley

Here's Shoshonea pulvinata in a trough, wintered over from last year - a tiny thing at present.   I've only seen it in photos... I expect the flower stems will elongate, unless this is some particularly dwarfish form??   I got it from Beaver Creek, at last year's CRAGS spring plant sale.

Cute!
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2011, 01:54:36 AM »

Well, live and learn!  Smiley

Here's Shoshonea pulvinata in a trough, wintered over from last year - a tiny thing at present.   I've only seen it in photos... I expect the flower stems will elongate, unless this is some particularly dwarfish form??   I got it from Beaver Creek, at last year's CRAGS spring plant sale.

I would hardly guessed that this is a Apiaceae!

Here Brunnera makes runners and selfsow but not much.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 08:10:42 AM »

A selection of my umbellifers:

1. Lomatium nudicaule: of the 10 or so I’ve tried, 5 have survived and this is the easiest and the only one to have flowered and seeded itself.
2). L. californicum (survived one winter and then died in the subsequent more severe winter)
3-6. I’m not sure which 2 species these are, but they’ve proven reliably hardy here having survived 4 or 5 winters. Just contrast the leaves of these with nudicaule … The possibilities are L. dissectum, utriculatum and triternatum (there are two pictures of each). Any suggestions?  
7. Lovage, Levisticum officinale is one of the grandest umbellifers and looks particularly smart when blanched in springtime (it then doesn’t taste unlike celery and much milder than unblanched)
8. Laser trilobum (I also grow Laserpitium siler and latifolium, all 3 reliably hardy here, down to about -23C)
9. Angelica keiskei – surprised me to see that the sap is yellow!
10. Angelica sylvestris “Vicar’s Mead” is also a nice foliage plant (like the Anthriscus) – here with Trillium camtschacensis and Hylomecon japonicum  


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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Very nice, Stephen.  Ahh, I was thinking about what to plant in a big area where we removed a huge old lilac last fall... Angelica would be suitably statuesque!  Lots of great ideas in your photos... lovage is worth growing for its appearance alone (aside from using the leaves for flavouring) - I should get myself another one.
Here are a couple more fairly interesting umbellifers:

Peucedanum ostruthium 'Daphnis' - I don't have many variegated plants but I am fond of this one (though, strangely, I have few good photos of it):
 

Pleurospermum szechenyii:
 
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200015840
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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2011, 02:16:29 AM »

Lori, does the Pleurospermum remain that colour, or is that just spring foliage?

Some of these remind of several local umbellifers I am fond of, I'll have to dig up pictures--such as the very charming, subtle Sweet Cicely (blunt-fruited; Osmorhiza depauperata) which is common in the woods here.. I sent seed to Stephen, hopefully he gets some babies Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2011, 07:11:58 AM »

Lori, does the Pleurospermum remain that colour, or is that just spring foliage?
It's actually dark purple throughout the season.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2011, 10:49:54 AM »

Lori: I've overwintered Peucedanum ostruthium 'Daphnis' (nice pictures) for the first time this year! Nice Pleurospermum too!

Cohan: I wonder what happened to the Osmorhiza you sent me (it was in the fall wasn't it?). I haven't noticed them germinating (my pots are in a bit of disarray as a cat got into my cold frame with winter stratified seeds and labels were everywhere... I have otherwise Osmorhiza longistylis (picture) and O. claytonii:



  


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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2011, 02:03:29 PM »

Lori--then wow!

Stephen, it may have been mid-winter when I sent the seed, though I'm not sure, I might have a pm record of it.. if it does not appear eventually, let me know, I can get more seed this year...
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2011, 06:08:24 AM »

Great to see those various umbels. Stephen you have had better success with Lomatiums than me - I have grown nudicaule and californicum and a few others but had them on a gritty raised bed that may have been too dry and well drained, they never really got going well. I used to sell a few Laser trilobum on the nursery which shows there are gardeners who have a fascination with these plants - you could hardly call it showy. Lori's photo of Shoshonea is nice; this is definitely a plant I will try again - it is reminiscent of Olymposciadum caespitosum, which still grows on my raised bed and on the shady side of this, in deep grit, I have at last succeeded in getting Bolax gummifera to grow (this is a wonderful cushion plant often seen at the Shows and which I must have tried three or four times to date - its relative Azorella trifurcata is much easier and has made a lovely vivid green mat).
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