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« on: March 27, 2011, 06:12:12 PM »

These popped up in a pot seeded with Campanula.  Does anyone recognize them?  They look sort of Saponaria-ish to me, though that's probably wishful thinking.  They don't resemble anything else that I'm growing this year.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
 
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 07:27:31 AM »

Do they have milky sap? My first thought was some Euphorbia but they often form an elongated epicotyl.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 11:48:04 AM »

Maybe this is way off base, but they remind me of Silene seedlings.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 12:46:47 PM »

Maybe this is way off base, but they remind me of Silene seedlings.

I agree Lis, at first I though it might be Silene armeria, but after checking photos, I decided that I wasn't sure enough to commit to that suggestion.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 08:27:28 PM »



I agree Lis, at first I though it might be Silene armeria, but after checking photos, I decided that I wasn't sure enough to commit to that suggestion.

You notice my comment was pretty weasily......
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 08:48:12 PM »

Okay, I nipped off a leaf and there is no milky sap, and no particular odour to the leaves.
There is a suggestion of opposite-leaf arrangement to them (though they both remain rosette-like for now).  

Lis and Mark, you may well be on the right track.  Lesley over at the SRGC site suggested Lychnis so that's 3 votes for Silene/Lychnis...  I was thinking Caryophyllaceae as well (though with hopes of Saponaria for whatever reason.  Huh?)
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 05:10:16 AM »

Lis and Mark, you may well be on the right track.  Lesley over at the SRGC site suggested Lychnis so that's 3 votes for Silene/Lychnis...  I was thinking Caryophyllaceae as well (though with hopes of Saponaria for whatever reason.  Huh?)

Actually, my first thought was Dianthus armeria, then I saw Mark's suggestion of Silene armeria!! Didn't find any pictures though....
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 07:24:53 AM »


Actually, my first thought was Dianthus armeria, then I saw Mark's suggestion of Silene armeria!! Didn't find any pictures though....

I wonder if there is an Armeria dianthus? Grin  Close enough:
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=686280-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3D%26find_genus%3DArmeria%26find_sortByFamily%3Dtrue%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D*%26output_format%3Dnormal

Some images of Silene armeria
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tico_bassie/5149028861/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Silene_armeria_1.jpg
...scroll down to see more photos of foliage:
http://www.thegardenhelper.com/cgi-bin/ubb/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=69;t=000585;p=0

The unknown seedling also has a Cheiranthus look about it:
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/Home/Plants/Wild-Flowers/Dicotyledons/Brassicaceae-Cruciferae/Cheiranthus/Cheiranthus-cheiri/Cheiranthus-cheiri-2.html
http://chestofbooks.com/gardening-horticulture/Hardy-Trees-Shrubs-And-Herbaceous-Plants/images/Fig-33-Cheiranthus-Cheiri-1-4-nat-size.jpg

Stephen, I like your new moniker; extreme salad man Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 09:26:23 PM »

Well, it certainly does look like the photos of Silene armeria!  I'll try to remember to report back on what it eventually reveals itself to be.
Thanks, everyone, and great sleuthing, Mark!
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