The NARGS Forum
May 19, 2013, 07:05:19 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: The NARGS Forum opens to non-members as well as members starting January 31, 2011.  If you wish to be a contributor, please click on the REGISTER button.


Click here to go to the NARGS Main Website.


Interested in joining Nargs?  Click here to go to the membership page.
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages:  1 [2] 3 4   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Ridge walk (Forgetmenot Ridge, Kananaskis P. P., Alberta)  (Read 2796 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Lori S.
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2677



« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2010, 02:38:06 AM »

Dryas octopetala and D. integrifolia grow in the same habitat - alpine slopes - and in the same elevations and areas here.  They hybridize, also.
We usually see D. drummondii at lower elevations - for example, forming huge mats on the stabilized gravel bars on the river floodplain at this location, and along gravelly road cuts elsewhere.  Roads into the higher elevations can bring D. drummondii into contact with the white-flowered ones, oddly enough (so I've noted).

I'll wrap this up tomorrow.  Good night!
Logged

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm
RickR
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2048


Hungry for Knowledge


« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2010, 02:50:07 AM »

A fantastic array of photographic candy. 
Thanks, Lori!
Logged

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Hoy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3514


..Always Look on the Bright Side of Life...


« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2010, 02:50:56 AM »

Dryas octopetala and D. integrifolia grow in the same habitat - alpine slopes - and in the same elevations and areas here.  They hybridize, also.
We usually see D. drummondii at lower elevations - for example, forming huge mats on the stabilized gravel bars on the river floodplain at this location, and along gravelly road cuts elsewhere.  Roads into the higher elevations can bring D. drummondii into contact with the white-flowered ones, oddly enough (so I've noted).

I'll wrap this up tomorrow.  Good night!
Thanks.
Good night? You mean Good Morning! Here it is a nice sunny (some clouds) quiet morning. Not a leaf is disturbed by air movements other than that I make when moving!
Logged

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!
Lori S.
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2677



« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2010, 11:50:04 PM »

For those who have the endurance to finish this photo marathon...  Grin

1 - 2) I'm puzzled by this one... Erigeron grandiflorus?  From googling... it seems that petal width can vary quite a bit in this species (or among formerly distinct plants that have been lumped into this species).  The non-leafy stems and the furry involucre make me think Erigeron...
3, 4) Leptarrhena pyrolifolia Saxifraga occidentalis
5) Oxytropis podocarpa, with its feathery foliage... the flowers will soon change to showy, red, inflated seedpods
6) Silene uralensis... the leafiest, burliest one I've seen!
7) Smelowskia calycina
Cool A beautiful, if austere, little garden of brilliant Rhodiola integrifolia, Smelowskia and tiny ferns
9) Potentilla ssp.... very common on the ridge... Yeah, I'm not sure what this one is either!
10) Eriogonum ovalifolium, coming out of winter... the next time I show these, they will be beautifully filled-out and in bloom



* erigeron grandiflorus? P1010004.JPG (305.66 KB, 600x450 - viewed 43 times.)

* erigeron grandiflorus? P1010005.JPG (146.38 KB, 600x450 - viewed 47 times.)

* leptarrhena pyrolifolia P1000856.JPG (321.53 KB, 450x600 - viewed 50 times.)

* leptarrhena pyrolifolia P1000836.JPG (146.37 KB, 450x600 - viewed 52 times.)

* oxytropis podocarpa P1000793.JPG (267.18 KB, 600x450 - viewed 43 times.)

* Silene uralensis ssp.JPG (187.91 KB, 417x600 - viewed 50 times.)

* smelowskia calycina P1010046.JPG (209.02 KB, 600x450 - viewed 45 times.)

* rhodiola integrifolia ferns smelowskia P1000805.JPG (246.02 KB, 450x600 - viewed 45 times.)

* potentilla ssp P1000883.JPG (257.93 KB, 600x450 - viewed 36 times.)

* eriogonum ovalifolium var ovalifolium P1010002.JPG (239.7 KB, 600x450 - viewed 42 times.)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 09:21:13 PM by Lori Skulski » Logged

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm
Lori S.
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2677



« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2010, 11:54:16 PM »

And, finishing up with the absolute stars of this hike (again)...
1) Dryas integrifolia
2) Dryas octopetala
3) And, just for completeness and comparison, from down at river level, Dryas drummondii.


* dryas integrifolia P1010009.JPG (274.12 KB, 450x600 - viewed 43 times.)

* dryas octopetala P1010010.JPG (257.44 KB, 600x450 - viewed 47 times.)

* drys drummondii P1010076.JPG (145.12 KB, 450x600 - viewed 47 times.)
Logged

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm
McDonough
The Onion Man
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2710


10K Man


WWW
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2010, 09:27:52 AM »

Great stuff Lori!  Leptarrhena pyrolifolia is a cutie.  Your photos caused me to plunge headlong into a google search on Erigeron grandiflorus.  After doing some research, I feel more confused about it than when I started!  I include some links.  From what I can tell, the species is almost always described as lavender or blue, and only in the Flora of North America is there mention that the flowers are "rarely white".  The species name has also consumed E. simplex, so depending on one's inclination, this is a northern species from Alaska down through "to the summit of the Rocky Mountains", or it includes other taxon thereby extending the range all the way to Mexico. It is also related or conspecific with a couple Russian taxon.

When I look at those photos, particularly the flowers, it looks more like an arctic Chrysanthemum or Leucanthemum to me, reminiscent of L. integrifolium, although that simple-leaf species is way out of your range.  Do you ever find lavender forms of this, or always white?  It is very pretty whatever it is, most likely an Erigeron, and probably grandiflorus as you have it, but it seems the taxonomy is definitely a muddle-puzzle Grin

Erigeron grandiflorus (Synonym: Erigeron simplex)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/White%2520Enlarged%2520Photos/7ergr3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/White%2520Enlarged%2520Photo%2520Pages/erigeron%2520grandiflorus.htm&usg=__TbrjlmmBjYG3fXaYX0CQJQBDtEI=&h=550&w=520&sz=172&hl=en&start=5&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=3FDxix417XbfmM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Derigeron%2Bgrandiflorus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1

Erigeron grandiforus (fro, Flora of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago). 2 species described, skip by Erigeron compositus ssp. arcticus)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mun.ca/biology/delta/arcticf/images/asercot1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mun.ca/biology/delta/arcticf/_ca/www/aserco.htm&usg=__lJNRViqE7iddJhZ2eUX6OXgqg5c=&h=492&w=328&sz=106&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=vdWcK1IUrA7e5M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Derigeron%2Bgrandiflorus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1

USDA page:
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ERGR3

in Flora of North America:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=250066607
Logged

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net
http://www.plantbuzz.com
McDonough
The Onion Man
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2710


10K Man


WWW
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2010, 09:48:59 AM »

Curious about where Kananaskis, near Calgary, Alberta Canada is, I was playing around with Google Maps, one of my favorite pastimes.  Googled the area, turn on Terrain to get a 3D sense of where you are... fun to explore.  Google Maps is great, but doesn't label many point of interest, such as the various peaks, and for some reason, rarely labels rivers and bodies of water (why not?).  So, in the Kananaskis area, I can see various mountain ridges, but they're unlabeled; Lori, can you indicate which is Forgetmenot Ridge, or indicate the path you hiked.  Panning around on Google Maps, I see other amusingly named mountains; Mt. Turbulent, Mt. Inflexible Cheesy

Not sure on which side of Kananaskis your hike was, but I think the terrain map I show here (just to show what these 3D terrian maps look like) is the wrong side, north of where you were hiking. After making the first 2 screen captures, I found Nihahi Ridge (red X marks the spot in the third map), so if you could see that, Forgetmenot Ridge must not be too far to the north of Nihahi Ridge.


* Kananaskis_Calgary_Alberta.jpg (115.12 KB, 728x555 - viewed 37 times.)

* Kananaskis_mountain_ridge_terrain_Google_Maps.jpg (141.36 KB, 959x767 - viewed 43 times.)

* Nihahi Ridge red-X marks the spot.jpg (107.38 KB, 743x617 - viewed 42 times.)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2010, 09:51:08 AM by McDonough » Logged

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net
http://www.plantbuzz.com
McDonough
The Onion Man
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2710


10K Man


WWW
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2010, 10:00:06 AM »

Found Forgetmenot Mountain, here's a Google terrain map.


* Forgetmenot Mounatin locale.jpg (116.77 KB, 702x576 - viewed 42 times.)
Logged

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net
http://www.plantbuzz.com
Lori S.
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2677



« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2010, 11:34:22 AM »

... Mt. Indefatigable, Disappointment Ridge, etc..

You've pretty much got it there with your last screen capture, Mark.  I was going to attach a piece of a topo map, with my guess as to the route... contour interval = 25m... but I can't get the file down small enough to attach.
EDIT: Okay, I think I figured it out - see attachment.


If you look at this site, the third photo also marks the route on a 3-D topographic view.  
http://hikealberta.com/hike/forgetmenot-ridge
The "end" of that route, in red, is just one of many options... we usually continue SE along the ridge, which is much more interesting, out toward and onto Forgetmenot Mountain.  Of course, once you're up there, you can go any which way you want - the ridge has several fingers to be explored.  

* fIMG.pdf (182.96 KB - downloaded 48 times.)
« Last Edit: July 18, 2010, 02:25:06 PM by Skulski » Logged

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm
McDonough
The Onion Man
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2710


10K Man


WWW
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM »

Cool!  I used the link you suggested, which has a Google earth KMZ file; if one has the free Google Earth Plugin in their web browser, it'll launch Google to that bookmarked location.  Then one can zoom in and out, and "orbit" in any direction and elevation.  I saved off three views, the second and third views are lower in the horizon, to get a better sense of the mountain relief, the last view looking in the opposite direction towards the valley floor.


* Forgetmenot Ridge_Google_Earth_view1.jpg (130.2 KB, 921x703 - viewed 40 times.)

* Forgetmenot Ridge_Google_Earth_view2.jpg (121.64 KB, 921x703 - viewed 49 times.)

* Forgetmenot Ridge_Google_Earth_view3.jpg (119.57 KB, 921x703 - viewed 49 times.)
Logged

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net
http://www.plantbuzz.com
Hoy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3514


..Always Look on the Bright Side of Life...


« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2010, 03:22:36 PM »

I have to wait till I get home to amuse myself with this. Haven't enough bandwidth with my cellphone.
Logged

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!
Lori S.
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2677



« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2010, 06:51:49 PM »

That's very neat, Mark! 
Logged

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm
Spiegel
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 529


« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2010, 04:08:42 PM »

For those who have the endurance to finish this photo marathon...  Grin

1 - 2) I'm puzzled by this one... Erigeron grandiflorus?  From googling... it seems that petal width can vary quite a bit in this species (or among formerly distinct plants that have been lumped into this species).  The non-leafy stems and the furry involucre make me think Erigeron...
3, 4) Leptarrhena pyrolifolia
5) Oxytropis podocarpa, with its feathery foliage... the flowers will soon change to showy, red, inflated seedpods
6) Silene uralensis... the leafiest, burliest one I've seen!
7) Smelowskia calycina
Cool A beautiful, if austere, little garden of brilliant Rhodiola integrifolia, Smelowskia and tiny ferns
9) Potentilla ssp.... very common on the ridge... Yeah, I'm not sure what this one is either!
10) Eriogonum ovalifolium, coming out of winter... the next time I show these, they will be beautifully filled-out and in bloom


Lori,  the pictures are wonderful.  Is the Silene uralensis the same as Silene/Lychnis apetala?  I've seen it both ways and never knew which was correct.  This little plant is one of my favorites in Colorado - found high up in the Mosquito Range and not very plentiful.  Do you grow this one?  Is it rare in your area?  The Dryas pictures are superb.
Logged
McDonough
The Onion Man
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2710


10K Man


WWW
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2010, 08:11:07 PM »


6) Silene uralensis... the leafiest, burliest one I've seen!

Lori,  the pictures are wonderful.  Is the Silene uralensis the same as Silene/Lychnis apetala?  I've seen it both ways and never knew which was correct.  This little plant is one of my favorites in Colorado - found high up in the Mosquito Range and not very plentiful.  Do you grow this one?  Is it rare in your area?  The Dryas pictures are superb.

Anne, Lori and I did some sleuthing on the confusing nomenclature of Silene uralensis here Cheesy
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=79.msg554#msg554
Logged

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net
http://www.plantbuzz.com
Spiegel
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 529


« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2010, 10:24:18 PM »

Lori and Mark, whaat a pair of sleuths!  Unfortunately, I'm still a bit confused.  The pictures certainly look like the plant I saw twice (Mt. Monroe, Colorado, close to 13,000').  I thought it was a charmer but the weather was terrible and the slide was poor.  It was the only plant I found and I looked for others for some time.  So I'll look for seed of all the names mentioned.  One of them must be the right one. Many thanks for all the information.
Logged
Pages:  1 [2] 3 4   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.13 :: SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC
Absado by Fakdordes.