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« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2010, 09:42:44 AM »

Here, pushing things right to the limit, is Ipomopsis rubra... In a few fitful previous tries, I was never able to winter it over, but now finally, success...  However, this bit of bloom is all I'll get, since it's getting very late, and this biennial will definitely not be able to set seed before it's killed by the cold.  (Grrr, I remember again why hate biennials!  :Smiley)

Lori, I love these things, the Ipomopsis (or Gilia, as I used to grow them under).  I've not grown I. rubra, and when I look it up on the USDA site, I can't believe my eyes on it's distribution... it even includes little ol' Massachusetts!  Since the distribution includes Michigan and Ontario, I have to assume some strong level of hardiness.  I had always thought of this as a strictly southern species, or a Texas wildflower, shows what I know ;-)
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=IPRU2

I wonder if you might be better off growing I. aggregata or one of its many subspecies, this being the Western version of rubra... perhaps you already grow that one.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=IPAG
Years ago I used to grow several color forms, and even a few other species from Sally Walker's Southwestern USA collected seed, and the first year biennial rosettes were not only flat, lacy, and tinged with color, they seemed perfectly hardy, and quickly grew the following year with bright display of red, purple, pink, and white.
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« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2010, 07:18:20 PM »

Ipomopsis is a genus that I have not considered trying, but I think I will now!
What's the trouble wintering it over - frost, humidity, lack of warm summers?
With I. rubra, I had assumed it was not hardy enough, but it may have been ignorance on my part... planting them in unsuitable conditions perhaps with too much competition for the first year rosette (whereas this one was on a slope in the front yard - better drainage, full sun, no competition)?  I guess I'd have to try them a few more times to know.

I wonder if you might be better off growing I. aggregata or one of its many subspecies, this being the Western version of rubra...
I grew I. macrosiphon which was fantastic... but unfortunately didn't reseed:
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=69.0
 
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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2010, 11:32:04 AM »

I will look for any seeds (of this genus) when I get the seedex list!
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« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2010, 07:25:31 PM »

If I. rubra can survive in mass, then I might have a chance here...I have it on my list for the NARGS seed order...I will even overwinter one in a coldframe for a chance to get blooms...it is VERY impressive!
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« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2011, 07:38:15 PM »

Alstroemeria angustifolia grows well in our rock garden and spreads gently.
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« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2011, 11:34:50 AM »

I'm always looking for cold-hardy, easy-care, red-flowering species for my high-altitude (10,000 feet) gardens in the Colorado Rocky Mountains.  One of the most stunning species that has decided to grow and prosper far from its native home of west-central New Mexico is Silene laciniata (Indian Pink).  As its species name implies, its petals are deeply cut, or lacinated. 

In the wild, it stands about 8 to 12 inches and seems to prefer the rather dry, acidic soil under lodgepole pines in partial shade.  Most of the population my husband Klaus discovered and photographed in a campground near Luna, New Mexico was the typical vibrant red.  But there were also some delicate, baby-pink specimens.  (By the way, the common name "pink" does not refer to the color but to the "pinked" look of the petals of many species within Silene's family (Caryophyllaceae) -- as if someone cut them with pinking shears.)  Photo #1 is a typical, few-flowered, red-blossomed plant in the wild.  Photo #2 shows the pink variation.

Experimenting with this wild species in my gardens, I discovered that it does best in my artificial bog garden!  This was certainly unexpected.  However, the seedlings I located in drier soil, similar to that in their native ecosystem, suffered terribly.  Some died before I got the idea to try the bog.  The lucky ones established in that moist, heavy soil in light shade from a lodgepole pine and every year produce a floriferous display of bright red blossoms in mid-August to mid-September (about the same bloom time as in their native land which is at about 7,500 feet elevation).  Unlike the wild specimens, my garden-grown plants stand 18 to 20 inches tall and have a spread of abount 18 inches with numerous flowering stems.  Photo #3 shows a garden-grown specimen.

Unfortunately, the late blooming of this species means a very sparse seed crop.  Most years no seed is produced before the garden is buried in snow, which can be as early as mid-October.


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« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2011, 11:58:05 AM »

Jane, its a stunning Silene to be sure; I grew it 25 years ago or more, and haven't tried again since then, it did flower in that screaming vermilion color.  I like how the calyxes are also vibrant red, adding to the floral effect, most noticeable in your 3rd photo.  The pink one is a rare find, might you introduce it as Silene laciniata 'Luna'?  Cheesy

Glad you added the cultural note, I would not have imagined that it would do well in an artificial bog situation, but it sounds from your experience that the plants do benefit from a more regular source of moisture... duly noted.  In passing reference you note the late flowering of this plants make seed set a challenge, just how late in the season does this plant bloom for you?  I'm always looking for late blooming rock plants, so this might be a good candidate.  Have you seen my post on a very late blooming Saponaria (S. cypria) here:  http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=325.0

@Fermi:  how hardy might Alstroemeria angustifolia be, and how tall growing is it?  Beautiful colors on that one.
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« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2011, 12:57:47 PM »

Fermi, those red Alstroemeria is wonderful! It seems too to be reasonably tall. I grow only A aurea and that one gets taller and the color is not so good (now I wonder how it has taken the hard frost this winter).

Jane, Silene laciniata is a plant I have admired in pictures but never managed to germinate although I have several attempts. Are the seeds ephemeral or needing special treatments?
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« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2011, 01:33:47 PM »

Mark,

Silene laciniata blooms at my 10,000-foot elevation from mid-August to mid-September.  New Mexico has a late-summer monsoon season that induces blooming in a large number of unrelated species.  Some years ago, Panayoti wrote an article in the NARGS bulletin about that situation.  Where I live in Colorado, we don't have that late flowering season.  Our native species are pretty much done by early August.  You can still find flowers in bloom here and there but not in profusion as you would in late June to about mid-July.  Introducing species from a similar conifer-forest ecosystem in New Mexico has enable me to extend the period of full color in the gardens into early October.


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No, the seeds are not ephemeral and, as I recall, I did not stratify them.  I started them indoors at about 60 degrees F.  I'm guessing they probably germinated in two to three weeks.  This species produces a very thick, deep taproot so decide where you want it to grow outdoors and then don't plan to move it after it gets to be about 3 or 4 years old.


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« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2011, 01:39:22 PM »

Mark,

Silene laciniata blooms at my 10,000-foot elevation from mid-August to mid-September.  New Mexico has a late-summer monsoon season that induces blooming in a large number of unrelated species.  Some years ago, Panayoti wrote an article in the NARGS bulletin about that situation.  Where I live in Colorado, we don't have that late flowering season.  Our native species are pretty much done by early August.  You can still find flowers in bloom here and there but not in profusion as you would in late June to about mid-July.  Introducing species from a similar conifer-forest ecosystem in New Mexico has enable me to extend the period of full color in the gardens into early October.


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No, the seeds are not ephemeral and, as I recall, I did not stratify them.  I started them indoors at about 60 degrees F.  I'm guessing they probably germinated in two to three weeks.  This species produces a very thick, deep taproot so decide where you want it to grow outdoors and then don't plan to move it after it gets to be about 3 or 4 years old.



Thanks, Jane! If I ever get  seedlings I will remember what you say!
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« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2011, 10:23:01 PM »

Here's another stunning red-flowered species that's easy to grow: Anemone coronaria (Poppy Anemone).  It is listed as hardy in Zones 7-10 and as an annual in my Zone 4 but I have 3-year-old flowering plants that I grew from seeds purchased from Chiltern Seeds (U.K.).  The usual way gardeners grow these beauties is from purchased tubers in fall in warmer zones and in spring in colder zones.  I, too, often plant tubers in spring.  The plants grown from seed bloom in early July; those from spring-planted tubers, in mid-August to early September.  Although the literature says this species is hardy to only 28 degrees F., it gets colder than that at night in late August and certainly in early September but my plants and their flowers have not exhibited any frost damage.  While the seed-propagated plants return every year (so far), the tuber-propagated ones do not.

They are available in separate colors of red, pink, white and purple in fall but usually only in a mix of colors if purchased in spring.  Seeds are abundantly produced and are easy to germinate (no stratification needed).  The plants vary in height from just 8 inches tall to 18 inches tall.  They are happy in full sun or light shade in dry to evenly moist soil of low to high fertility.   In other words, I plant them wherever I find room and they grow!


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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2011, 11:42:17 AM »

Jane: you have GOT to be kidding me: you have grown Anemone coronaria in THE BLUE RIVER VALLEY? That's amazing.

I guess I should start planting out coconut palms in Denver then!
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2011, 12:07:59 PM »

Anemone coronaria is a lot hardier than one would think.  I have had them winter over here in zone 3, although they never amounted to much in the second year (foliage, no flowers).
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« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2011, 09:47:46 PM »

The latest red flowers in the Rock Garden, Rhodophiala bifida,






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« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2011, 10:33:45 PM »

The latest red flowers in the Rock Garden, Rhodophiala bifida,
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Very nice Fermi, I would love to have Rhodophiala blooming in my garden!
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