The NARGS Forum
May 24, 2013, 01:09:25 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Click here to go to the NARGS Main Website
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  
Pages:  [1] 2   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: A teeny tiny treasure for the dry rock garden.  (Read 2011 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Weiser
High Desert Interloper
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 619



WWW
« on: May 19, 2010, 04:30:54 PM »

The teeny tiny treasure is Escobaria sneedii ssp. sneedii. The tiny white marbles stacked one on top of another look like they should tumble and roll away. They stay put however with only an occasional escapee.
These are found in New Mexico through to western Texas and grow in very well drained sights that receave some summer rain. Winters are dry with lows of 10 F. My two plants withstand temps down to 0 F for the past five years showing no sign of damage.
Rare in it's native habitat. These tiny cactus can often form large mounding clumps, with a lopsided pyramid look reaching  a foot or more across.
There are two subspecies and one other species in the Escobaria sneedii complex. E. sneedii ssp sneedi, E. sneedii ssp leeii and E. guadalupensis (syn. E. orcuttii ). They are all closely related and occupy the same territories so intermediate or hybrid plants occur. The status of E. sneedii ssp leeii as a sub species is also tenuous since it is restricted only one, small canyon surrounded by populations classified as E. sneedii ssp. sneedii.

First two shots are of E. sneedii ssp leeii
Third and fourth of E sneedii ssp sneedii
Fifth of E. guadalupensis (syn. E. orcuttii )


* 4528798114_6a20df91b7.jpg (213.76 KB, 500x375 - viewed 109 times.)

* 4528800418_d3f459631e.jpg (201 KB, 500x375 - viewed 109 times.)

* 4110199863_187488728e.jpg (172.1 KB, 500x375 - viewed 108 times.)

* 4634196744_d503f9db09.jpg (120.72 KB, 500x332 - viewed 72 times.)

* 4582463119_b1a075fd24.jpg (167.08 KB, 500x375 - viewed 73 times.)
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 08:35:29 AM by Weiser » Logged

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser
RickR
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2054


Hungry for Knowledge


« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 06:03:30 PM »

I grew what I bought as Escobaria leei from High Country Gardens.  It survived through three winters in a trough here in zone 4.  But I think was damaged the third winter, as I'm not even sure if it actually grew at all the ensuing spring and summer.  By the end of the fourth winter, it had kicked the bucket.

But it certainly is a cute thing.  I assume it was Escobaria sneedii ssp. leeii


* LargeHypertufa05summerclose.jpg (142.52 KB, 800x620 - viewed 118 times.)
Logged

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Kelaidis
Forgetting plant names for over half a century
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 420



WWW
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 05:57:38 AM »

I couldn't find my picture of E. leei, but did find one of E. sneedii var. sneedii blooming in a trough in Pueblo belonging to Bill Adams, of Sunscapes Nursery.

I never cease to be amazed how hardy and wonderful E. leei is: we have huge mounds at Denver Botanic Gardens, and I have them tucked here and there in my troughs at home. They are even bedded out, as it were, at the public park at Kendrick Lake (where I get seed every year because there are no other Escobaria planted nearby so it should be "pure"). I am now growing most of the Escobaria of the Chihuahan desert that are hardy: there are a lot of them. I have a sneaking suspicion that some clever botanist will one day try and lump most of them together, because truth be said, they are an awful lot like one another when you grow them side by side and they all hybridize it seems. At least the whole E. sneedii, organensis, orcuttii, dasyacantha, tuberculosa, zilziana, etc. etc. groups!  The same, of course, could be said of the Auricula section in Primula, or half the penstemons!



* May 15 2008 276.jpg (79.93 KB, 640x480 - viewed 110 times.)
Logged

For every minion of the peaks there are a dozen steppe children growing in the dry Continental heart of all hemispheres still unknown to horticulture.
Weiser
High Desert Interloper
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 619



WWW
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 07:41:14 AM »

PK
I have wondered if my plants are correctly identified. I notice in the sneedii picture you posted that the central spines protrude above the radial spines substantially. On my plants the central spines are hardly noticeable. When I touch the surface I only feel a slight roughness and no sharp prickles.
I will take a macro of the surface and post it. Your opinion as to whether this is a ssp. sneedii or ssp leei would be appreciated. 
The more I delve into this question the more I am convinced I have misidentified the subspecies.

 Well for the present until they are lumped together by that clever botanist who upturns the apple cart. :Smiley
Logged

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser
Weiser
High Desert Interloper
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 619



WWW
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 08:30:59 AM »

2011 photos of Escobaria sneedii var. leei in flower. The last photo also includes Escobaria vivipara varieties,  rosea and buoflama.


* 4723776546_4ca4d5b652_b.jpg (297.27 KB, 1024x680 - viewed 43 times.)

* 5862658668_4561a05fc4_z.jpg (203.23 KB, 640x597 - viewed 36 times.)

* 5893457258_1b40e12ba6_z.jpg (285.12 KB, 640x504 - viewed 45 times.)
Logged

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser
RickR
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2054


Hungry for Knowledge


« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 05:03:58 AM »


A most interesting spiraling to the young stamens on Escobaria sneedii var. leei.  And the color that would be drab with most other cactus, is quite pleasing given the white/silver background.
Logged

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Hoy
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3532


..Always Look on the Bright Side of Life...


« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 05:39:34 PM »

I had some potfuls of Escobara. I don't know which species but they looked similar to your first picture of E sneedii spp sneedii, John. However they all died last winter -spring. I don't know why, they were indoors but experienced some degrees below the freezing point. However, they should tolerate that? (They were kept dry of course) Anyway - I miss them Cry
Logged

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!
Nold
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 220


complains a lot about the weather


« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 08:13:22 PM »

Escobaria sneedii subsp. leei has spines bent backward towards the stem. Otherwise they're pretty much the same.
Another difference is that sneedii subsp. sneedii is an endangered species, whereas leei is "just" threatened, and can be legally sold.

Bob

(forgive the lateness of my reply)
Logged

extreme western edge of Denver, Colorado; elevation 1705.6 meters, average annual precipitation 30cm; refuses to look at thermometer if it threatens to go below -17C
DesertZone
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 131


Idaho Desert Zone 5b


WWW
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 11:35:30 PM »

I had one for a few years until this spring it died, but could have died do to lack of water the summer before.  It may have been dead longer than I thought.  I have lost some cactus do to lack of summer irrigation.  We get all of water in the winter. Smiley   
Logged
Weiser
High Desert Interloper
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 619



WWW
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 09:57:26 AM »

Aaron
 They do indeed like a little water now and again in the summer. You and I rarely if ever get monsoon rains like they are used to.

I've also had cacti die and not realize it till much later. The ones with tight dense spines are usually crispy, before I notice there is a problem. Too late by then!! Roll Eyes
Logged

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser
DesertZone
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 131


Idaho Desert Zone 5b


WWW
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 07:09:23 PM »

I've also had cacti die and not realize it till much later. The ones with tight dense spines are usually crispy, before I notice there is a problem. Too late by then!! Roll Eyes
That is so true. Smiley
Logged
Manfroni
In the process of creating a desert alpine garden in Texas
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 37


Rino and Denim (the cat)


« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 06:56:07 AM »

I have an Escobaria leei in my cactus garden... it's cool because every time some friend comes over I ask them if they can find the cactus among all the white gravel! That's also why I had to leave the tag next to it, otherwise I would lose track of it too!!! lol I still did not see it bloom... does it bloom in the late Spring? If so, I still have to wait then!


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/425585_353577724676470_100000727366705_1107436_1613747010_n.jpg
Logged

Rino, zone 7/8a Dallas TX, rainfall 38 inch or 1 meter per year (highest rainfall in May with 5.29in/134mm, March with 4.34in/110mm and October with 4.21in/107mm), mild winters with 1-2 days of snow (Record low -1F/-18C) and hot, semi-humid summers (Record high 110F/43C).
Manfroni
In the process of creating a desert alpine garden in Texas
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 37


Rino and Denim (the cat)


« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 07:00:48 AM »

These are also my Escobaria vivipara and minima. The minima is super tiny!!!! I can't wait to see it blooming!


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423348_353579181342991_100000727366705_1107441_527752251_n.jpg
Logged

Rino, zone 7/8a Dallas TX, rainfall 38 inch or 1 meter per year (highest rainfall in May with 5.29in/134mm, March with 4.34in/110mm and October with 4.21in/107mm), mild winters with 1-2 days of snow (Record low -1F/-18C) and hot, semi-humid summers (Record high 110F/43C).
DesertZone
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 131


Idaho Desert Zone 5b


WWW
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 10:33:56 AM »

I can't wait to see it blooming!

Here is mine from summers past.  It died over one wet winter.  Sad
Logged
Manfroni
In the process of creating a desert alpine garden in Texas
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 37


Rino and Denim (the cat)


« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 11:21:43 AM »

Wow, it looks amazing! I find it strange that they die that fast! I think it rained quite a lot this winter and mine are still doing fine...

I guess the way I plant my cactus ends up to be working... when ever I transplant a cactus from the pot, I make a hole slightly larger than the pot, and I place the cacti in the hole from the pot, and I fill all the voids only with gravel, no soil at all... I figured the soil will eventually build up between the gravel anyway....
Logged

Rino, zone 7/8a Dallas TX, rainfall 38 inch or 1 meter per year (highest rainfall in May with 5.29in/134mm, March with 4.34in/110mm and October with 4.21in/107mm), mild winters with 1-2 days of snow (Record low -1F/-18C) and hot, semi-humid summers (Record high 110F/43C).
Pages:  [1] 2   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.13 :: SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC
Absado by Fakdordes.