New NARGS Forum - Issues, Question, Suggestions

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Lori S.
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-10-27

Daniel, why should it be that all posts AFTER the deleted one are also deleted???  Why can't a single post be deleted by a moderator without these huge repercussions!!   

 

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Daniel Dillon
Title: Guest
Joined: 2012-09-28

Each item of content in Drupal can exist in either of 2 states, unless you add more. They are Published and Unpublished. The difference is obvious. Now you see me, now you don't, but I still exist and administrators can see me; So it is a checkbox.

In this method you could Unpublish a Reply. All its children will still remain Published and visible to all site visitors. If you Unpublish a Topic however, the children also become unpublished. The permission to publish/unpublish is rolled in with some other administrative permissions and affect all content types, so it cannot be given to Members or Guests.

There is a module that gives you a bit more granular control over who can publish/unpublish what. I have not tested it as I am not in favor of installing more modules unless absolutely necessary, as every additional module slows the site.

Daniel Dillon (artist) & Esther Wrightman (gardener)
St. Andrews, New Brunswick.

Daniel Dillon
Title: Guest
Joined: 2012-09-28

I think I used the word 'after' in error; it is ambiguous in this context. When a Reply is deleted, only its children, grandchildren, etc are deleted.

Daniel Dillon (artist) & Esther Wrightman (gardener)
St. Andrews, New Brunswick.

Lori S.
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-10-27

Yes, I think I understood you.  If there is one "offensive" post, that the moderators possibly don't see for a couple of days, when it is deleted, everything after it, valuable or not also gets deleted?   Why would we want this?  

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Mark McD
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-12-14

Daniel Dillon wrote:

I think I used the word 'after' in error; it is ambiguous in this context. When a Reply is deleted, only its children, grandchildren, etc are deleted.

 

Not really, based upon my experiment, deleting a message will delete all that follows (children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc), with the exception of a "Reply to #" where the number is "less than" or "previous to" the message being deleted.  Hairs are being split semantically, the point is deleting a single message on this New NARGS Forum has the undesirable consequence of deleting much more than it should delete, only the selected message should be deleted.  So, the question remains, does this Drupal forum have the technical capability of just deleting a single message or not?  From what you're telling us Daniel, it does not.

Which leads me to another question asked before but was not answered, is it technically possible on this New NARGS Forum under Drupal format to SPLIT a topic?  Being able to Split or Merge topics or portions of topics in the previous forum was incredibly useful.  Based upon what you're telling us here about the underlying "parent-child message thread behavior", this too is not technically possible on this new forum?

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Daniel Dillon
Title: Guest
Joined: 2012-09-28

There exists a module for splitting forum posts. It has no 'stable' release, but it works for the most part. I will look into correcting a bug that results in the new Topic, after the split, having the posting date change to the date of the split. I will report back on my progress.

Daniel Dillon (artist) & Esther Wrightman (gardener)
St. Andrews, New Brunswick.

Mark McD
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-12-14

Daniel Dillon wrote:

There exists a module for splitting forum posts. It has no 'stable' release, but it works for the most part. I will look into correcting a bug that results in the new Topic, after the split, having the posting date change to the date of the split. I will report back on my progress.

Please wait a minute, before heading off to look for a module that might add more issues to the fray, let's focus on the primary issue in the first paragraph above; the issue of deleting a single post.  I repeat the paragraph here:

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Not really, based upon my experiment, deleting a message will delete all that follows (children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc), with the exception of a "Reply to #" where the number is "less than" or "previous to" the message being deleted.  Hairs are being split semantically, the point is deleting a single message on this New NARGS Forum has the undesirable consequence of deleting much more than it should delete, only the selected message should be deleted.  So, the question remains, does this Drupal forum have the technical capability of just deleting a single message or not?  From what you're telling us Daniel (about the Published and Unpublished states), it does not.

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The "Post Reply" button at the top and bottom of every topic page creates a generic response without creating a linked child or grandchild response, without the live link saying "Reply to #x" in the reply.  If the "Reply" button that appears in every reply were to be removed, and only the top and bottom "Post Reply" button remained, would that have the effect of creating a consecutive linear stack of messages without the parent-child-grandchild thread-linking?

Update: testing this further, using the "Post Reply" button shows the first message in the topic as its context, so therefore I'm now assuming that even using the "Post Reply" button, the reply might be considered a child to the first message in the topic.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Mark McD
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-12-14

I noticed in the Roscoea topic, that at the top of page 2, after Longma's latest post, there is a time zone error at the top. What is causing that?

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Mark McD
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-12-14

Email Notifications:

I notice that I sometimes get two email notifications for the same reply.  They're slightly different, one indicates who made the comment, and the other one does not. And, the unsubscribe link is different. I prefer the version with the commentor's name.  I attach a photo showing the two messages in my email InBox side-by-side.  Is there a reason why the first line of the text is cut-off then the full line of text appearing on the second line?

For other's to know, under your Profile, there is now a Subscriptions tab, where you can see what you've subscribed to, each with an option to unsubscribe.  Or, one can use the unsubscribe link in the email notifications for specific topics.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

Daniel Dillon
Title: Guest
Joined: 2012-09-28

Mark McD wrote:

I noticed in the Roscoea topic, that at the top of page 2, after Longma's latest post, there is a time zone error at the top. What is causing that?

Not sure. It goes away on a page re-load and a stray away and hit 'Back' sequence, so it probably relates to the previous page; likely the anonymous post with no date. I will see if I can clean that up.

Daniel Dillon (artist) & Esther Wrightman (gardener)
St. Andrews, New Brunswick.

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