Escobaria vivipara- complex

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DesertZone
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Thanks
I garden in southern Idaho 25 miles north of Twin-Falls.  My climate is a zone 5b.  I will try and put it by my user name later. :)

Dry garden, little irrigation, 9" precip

Shoshone Idaho USA. Zone 5b-6a

Hot and dry in the summer, cold and snow in the winter.

Weiser
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Joined: 2009-12-04

Aaron

Great to see you join the forum!! I'm excited and look forward to your posts. It's great to have another hardy cactus enthusiast, join in the fray. ;D

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser

DesertZone
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Good too be here. :)
  What a cool forum and such awesome gardens. :o  Also glad to see people I know from other forums.
PS thanks again for all the amazing seed. ;)

Dry garden, little irrigation, 9" precip

Shoshone Idaho USA. Zone 5b-6a

Hot and dry in the summer, cold and snow in the winter.

cohan
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Joined: 2011-02-03

Some great looking Escobarias, DZ--is it Aaron?
Rick, E vivipara covers a huge natural range with a lot of subspecies and forms.. check seed at Alplains and Mesa.. I have a few little seedlings from Alplains of a Texas(? if I'm remembering....) form that is supposed to have blackish spines.. not yet, but does have red and darker than my other viv seedlings..
the Alberta forms I have seen also seem to be somewhat more open and less spiny looking..

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

DesertZone
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Joined: 2011-08-20

cohan wrote:

Some great looking Escobarias, DZ--is it Aaron?

Yep.... Aaron :)

Dry garden, little irrigation, 9" precip

Shoshone Idaho USA. Zone 5b-6a

Hot and dry in the summer, cold and snow in the winter.

RickR
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-09-21

A fairly good harvest of Escobaria vivipara berries, about 45.  These from plants grown from seed collected at the South Dakota/Minnesota borderland.  As "promised", a taste test ensued.

       

Except for the difference in texture (but not all that different), I'd almost swear they were Minnesota wild blueberries!  (perhaps just a bit more sour, but very sweet)  Skins were not tough at all.  I am extremely pleased!

John, would you (or anyone else) concur?

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Hoy
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Joined: 2009-12-15

What about making jam?
Do you spit out the seed or are they wasted? (I assume you leave your droppings in a wc and not in the nature ;)

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

RickR
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Joined: 2009-09-21

Jam would be silly at this point.  I don't think the forty-some berries would even make a half cup (100 grams).  Seeds are tiny like blueberries, too.  Not spit-outable  ;D.  I will still get over a thousand seeds: plenty for everyone's needs.

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Weiser
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Joined: 2009-12-04

Rick
I went out and tried a couple myself. They are tart with, a hint of a berry taste.
I also tried a ripe Escobaria missouriensis it is drier, with a taste more in line with rose hips. Rather bland with just a slight hint of sweetness.

From the High Desert Steppe
of the Great Basin and the Eastern
Escarpment of the Sierra Nevada Range
Located in Reno/Sparks,NV  zone 6-7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sierrarainshadow/
John P Weiser

RickR
Title: Moderator
Joined: 2009-09-21

Thanks John.  What kind of tart: lemon, grapefruit, dry astringent, "no taste" tart... ?  I couldn't detect any "flavoring" with the little tartness in my berries.  Certainly not astringent, though.  My berries are still firm and plump with varying amounts of reddish blushing.  A week or so before picking, temps got down to 34F for two nights.  I wonder if that affects taste with cactus?

So your missouriensis was a little mealy, too?

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

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