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Antennaria

[Moderator note: Moved from Plants and Gardens/General Alpines/Don't Forget the Red Ones!]

Hoy wrote:

This (Antennaria dioica) is a common plant in the subalpine zone and in the lowland woods and higher up in the mountains too. You get it in different colors between red and white. The red ones are showiest.

I've not felt comfortable trying to name the small silver Antennarias, which are common here, and at all of the various sites I have visited in Alberta-- dry southern badlands, Aspen parklands east of here, foothills, montane zones, higher up, etc; I have read they are especially prone to the self fertilisation causing numerous clones as opposed to cohesive species, which we were discussing re: Taraxacum etc
I have real doubts about labelling species in this genus based on pink flowers, at least in my area-- patches of otherwise identical pink and white flowered plants grow side by side-- knowing that they may not be interbreeding suggests they could be separate 'species', but by that measure so could individual plants of the same colour :rolleyes:

In any event, they are common as I said, and have done very well for themselves in heavily grazed pastures here, and will grow well in sun or shadier places (not so common in woodlands, but used to being shaded by grasses etc)--there is a patch remaining from bits I planted as a teen in a long gone bit of rock garden which is now on the north side of grown up spruce trees..
If anyone is still interested in pink flowering Antennaria next summer, I can mark a plant to collect seed, or very easily take a few cuttings which grow very easily....
I think the genus deserves its own thread, if it doesn't have one already ;D I'm very interested in those with black phyllaries (is this the word I want? just went blank) and with single heads...

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We have 5-6 different species of Antennaria here but A dioica is the commonest. I think it is separate sexes of the plants and females being the red ones (if I remember right) and males the white ones. But then, what about the pink ones?

Trond
Rogaland, Norway - with cool, often rainy summers  (29C max) and mild, often rainy winters (180 cm/year)!

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Hoy wrote:

We have 5-6 different species of Antennaria here but A dioica is the commonest. I think it is separate sexes of the plants and females being the red ones (if I remember right) and males the white ones. But then, what about the pink ones?

We have no red, only pink and white, sometimes the pink ones look sort of bicolour, though I'm not convinced that's not at least partly about when you look at the flower--the flower heads change a lot from beginning to end, and I can't say I have looked carefully enough in careful sequence to follow the whole cycle-- I think as with Salix, Betula, Alnus, as I mentioned elsewhere, I need to tag individual plants and follow them through the season..
I have yet to look at Antennarias in Flora of Alberta and see if that helps me any. We have a couple other species clearly distinct from these little silver ones-- a really nice larger rosette sp with dark green tops, white underneath, more of an open woodland plant, and A pulcherrima--with large upright leaves, growing in damp places..

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

Lori S.
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As Cohan says, we have no red Antennaria here, only whitish to white to shades of pink.  Are there any truly red Antennaria anywhere, as opposed to dark pink?  It is clearly something I need to get, if so!  ;D

Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada - Zone 3
-30 C to +30 C (rarely!); elevation ~1130m; annual precipitation ~40 cm

Mark McD
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Skulski wrote:

As Cohan says, we have no red Antennaria here, only whitish to white to shades of pink.  Are there any truly red Antennaria anywhere, as opposed to dark pink?  It is clearly something I need to get, if so!  ;D

I just happened to be gathering up photo links for Antennaria.  Both A. rosea and A. dioica have some very deep color forms that "approach" red, probably actually a very deep pink.  Here's some photo links of each species, ones selected for the deeper colors:

Antennaria rosea
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_zWbDkdxJAyE/SIVAAiAPndI/AAAAAAAAEak/ldI0CK_r-CU/s7...
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Hz8TUPlYNG8/SGinxjnEGII/AAAAAAAAAQA/QkCH8JOLv_8/s7...
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xyII2Q5ikJA/SDQvGzH8HsI/AAAAAAAAHVc/7z63Mb8zboM/CR...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigskykatie/2623200024/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrickstandish/5389151751/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrickstandish/5389755350/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13095250@N03/1452025594/

Antennaria dioica
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/view?q=antennaria&psc=G&filter=1#53671916...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willowherb/3613937415/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14807213@N05/2502143399/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12639178@N07/3761224716/

Cohan had suggested having an Antennaria topic, and I'll work on creating one (the reason I was gathering some photo links). :D

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

RickR
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Yes, that's the way Antennaria rosea var. confinus grows for me too:

 

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

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some nice ones there, Mark--
I like the two for Patrick Standish, and the A dioica rubra!
(interestingly, probably because I am signed in to Gmail/google, all the picasa links come up the same for me, a page with half the images mine from picasa...lol)
Here are a few more shots from around here, since we are heading for a thread  ;D
I'll save the whites till the new thread arrives
Here's a pale one from a site a few miles away, edges of a wet ditch, not far from Primula, Pedicularis, Spiranthes, Gentianopsis etc
album: https://picasaweb.google.com/cactuscactus/June282010APrimrosesSparrowSEg...

another wet place a few miles away

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

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And these are from a colony here on the farm-- a pasture with numerous patches of both white and 'pink' plants...
I hadn't realised till now looking at some of these shots (I hadn't edited these photos till today, still don't have the album ready).
Of course, looking at these pretty flowers, its good to remember the overall effect, last photo..though I don't mind a little mess ;)

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

Mark McD
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cohan wrote:

all the picasa links come up the same for me, a page with half the images mine from picasa...lol)
Here are a few more shots from around here, since we are heading for a thread  ;D

You're right Cohan, it appears that Picasa links do not translate globally.  What I did to correct the problem, is load the Picasa photo, then right-click and select "Copy Image Location", then paste that location into a fresh tab in my browser, to find the true static location of that image... so I have updated my original post with links that work.  I like the pink-flowered form you posted pictures of, very pretty.

Rick, your plants of Antennaria rosea var. confinus are deep-color indeed, very showy. Are these plant from collections made in your area?

Tomorrow I shall move the pertinent Antennaria messages to a new topic.  Cheers.

Mark

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA, near the New Hampshire border USDA Zone 5
antennaria at aol.com
 

cohan
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Mark,those are some nice deep coloured ones! Rick's form is nice too..

west central alberta, canada; just under 1000m; record temps:min -45C/-49F;max 34C/93F; http://picasaweb.google.ca/cactuscactus  http://urbanehillbillycanada.blogspot.com/

RickR
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McDonough wrote:

Rick, your plants of Antennaria rosea var. confinus are deep-color indeed, very showy. Are these plant from collections made in your area?

No.  We don't have Antennaria rosea wild here.  That is a plant I have lost track of, but it was a plant that I bought from a place like Arrowhead Alpines.

Rick Rodich    zone 4a.    Annual precipitation ~24 inches
near Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

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